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it's that time of the week again this is

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Timothy green Beckley and I am the

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co-host of unraveling the secrets and

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we've got another fascinating show for

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you all this evening now normally my

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co-host the very charming Carla Anderson

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would be chiming and right about now to

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tell us how her week has been but Carla

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are you there no I don't think so

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who could that be that's taking her

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place let's see is that Tim Schwartz

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that's right instead of the very

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charming Carl Anderson you have the very

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instead of German instead of Jersey City

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we have Indiana that's right just for

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Indiana there's a state certainly that

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has been in the news this week but this

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is not a political program so thank you

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thank you people we will bypass our

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partisan politics and and get on to the

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the show and this evening

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I appreciate that too but we have but we

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have been busy because Tim of course is

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the the host along with Michael Mott the

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outer edge which is also on the PSN

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radio network and Tim and I I was

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co-hosting that show once a month until

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angel offered me my own spot and of

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course I wanted to leave the outer edge

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and let the boys have the the stadium

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back so I'm doing the unraveling the

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secrets with Carla and but we're both

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entitled to is certainly an occasional

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night off because we're both all busy in

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the daytime and Tim and I have been of

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course working on quite a few book

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projects one of which we're going to be

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discussing tomorrow night on his program

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with the Marquis Brinkerhoff

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and the book is called UFO repeaters the

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camera doesn't lie

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it's about people who have had numerous

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UFO experiences usually starting out at

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an early age but then as they they get

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older the contacts that continue and

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they have the uncanny ability of going

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out either in a day timer at night

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pointing their camera at the sky and

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clicking away and getting a variety of

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weird objects in the sky some of which

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look like structured craft metallic

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objects and others more of a psychic or

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an imprint nature but would you say that

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them yeah very much so there's a lot of

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them that they almost have it's it's a

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paranormal aspect I don't know if the

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entire UFO phenomena can fit within that

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bracket but certainly a lot of the the

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more unusual cases the high strangeness

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cases a lot of researchers like to put

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it well in fact since my parents on

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coast to coast

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last week the book is to have been doing

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you know rather well we've been out

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there at promoting it and of course

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that's very important with a with a new

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title because there are so many books on

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the subject you've got to kind of get

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out there and really hype a new title in

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order to to get it to sell because most

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of your market today is on amazon.com

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and if you independent bookstores and

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other outlets and so we've been busy

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doing that and I think our first guest

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tonight is going to have a perhaps that

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even have something to add to the

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conversation along that line I don't

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really know Frank his name is Frank

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stalker

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and he will be speaking next weekend at

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a group in New Jersey it's actually the

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50th anniversary meeting of the new

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here's a UFO paranormal and

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consciousness conference which was

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founded by my longtime friend Pat

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Marchetti Leo and the conference is

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being held it's a one-day event and it

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will feature it Travis Walton and it's

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slated

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for April 11 2015 at the Hilton Garden

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Inn in Hamilton New Jersey which is just

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outside of Trenton and Pat and the new

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house which could be David's didn't

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always puts out a very good program I

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mean Titus had everybody over the years

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including astronaut Edgar Mitchell I

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know when I was there a couple years ago

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they had him on on streaming on skype so

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it should be an interesting program and

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tickets will be available at the door

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and you could look it up on the Internet

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it's the new jersey UFO paranormal and

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consciousness conference and the contact

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number I have is six oh nine five eight

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five six seven eight nine and like I

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said Frank Salter who's our first guest

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here this evening he will be one of the

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speakers at this program now Frank began

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to take an active interest in the UFO

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phenomena after he actually heard Edgar

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Mitchell's appearance at the National

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Press Club in the spring of 2009 Frank

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developed a particular interest in UFOs

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during the Truman presidency and started

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exploring the web his research turned up

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information that the UFO community had

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overlooked or undervalued including a

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specially documented White House meeting

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regarding the 1952 BC UFO case which

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took place in July of 1952 of course and

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that made the front page all over the

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the country and you know that one scared

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the heck out of everyone oh it was

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that's probably the still referred to as

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the most important UFO event of all time

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and anyway Frank has investigated that

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he's also looked into the Roswell

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incident as well as the sighting and

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appearance observation or too little of

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men and a landed object by police

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officer Alana Zamora in the town of

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Socorro New Mexico in fact just the last

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week I think it was we had on Rick

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hilberg and some of the other boys from

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the National UFO

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a conference which also will be

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celebrating their 50th anniversary

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meeting this year in June in Cleveland

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and of course most of the people in the

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UFO field is serious ufologist give a

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top rating to Lonnie's amorous encounter

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there because he seems to have been

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certainly a reliable witness it's even

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still classified as unknown in the

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project Bluebook files but enough of my

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chatter let's get to Frank

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so Frank tell me a little bit about your

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your background I mean I've gone out of

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your bio here but I've never spoken to

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you before and I'm always interested in

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speaking with people that I don't know

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because that's how you learn you don't

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learn by hearing the same people to tell

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the same stories over and over so how

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did you I mean did you just wake up one

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day and decide well I want to be a

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ufologist or how did that come about

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well and not exactly I'm an older guy on

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in 1950 so my first knowledge about the

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UFOs probably the the big flap in the

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early 70s if you remember the past mover

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case was part of that the Ohio governor

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at the time John Gilligan had a sighting

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so that that got my interest and I like

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every one of their folks like a lot of

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the folks are going to be going to this

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conference coming up next Saturday

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they're reading a book here and there a

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magazine here and they're watching the

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TV shows the in search of shows and then

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sightings and that would the cable

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networks and all the the documentary

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series that they run but when when

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Mitchell came out in 2009 that wasn't

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the first time he had been pretty public

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about his UFO feelings before that but I

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had some down time and I decided I was

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really going to get serious about this I

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was really going to take a closer look

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at that see what I can turn up and

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nothing succeeds like success I turned

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up some things that I knew nobody else

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in the field had really come across

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especially the the White House meeting a

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regarding at the 52 incident

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that that was enough to me for me to

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keep me going and from there just making

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contacts talking to people looking at

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cases from a different angle a different

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perspective than folks had before and

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just turning up new angles new material

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related to some of these older famous

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cases yes well in fact I see your motto

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here is there is nothing new in the

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world except the history you don't know

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yes all right I stole that wine from

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Harry Truman by the way well I'm sure

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you won't mind but yeah there's you know

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Jim my friend Jim Mosely what once met

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Harry Truman to get his autograph and

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asked Harry Truman what he thought about

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UFOs and Harry Truman's comment was he

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said he'd never seen a purple cow and he

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didn't want to now ask me ask me what

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that means I have absolutely no idea it

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was probably just an off for the cuff

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statement it's like Margaret Thatcher's

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saying the people don't have the right

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to know what can't be told or what

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remember her her word Martin about the

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Bentwaters case so I mean sometimes that

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people do make flippant remarks because

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they just don't have anything else to

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say at the moment and their tongue has

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died and so Harry Truman said he'd never

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seen a purple cow well I'm sure a couple

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of presidents since then have but that's

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besides the point

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okay so Frank what did what did you find

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out about Harriet Truman's

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administration this is certainly around

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the time when the UFOs were just getting

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you know going as far as like you know

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in the public consciousness and I guess

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behind the mj2 panel and probably one of

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the few presidents that may have been in

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a position to be told some information

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presidents since then what may be well I

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would say that most of them really have

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not had a need to know and probably

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don't know it's not on their top agenda

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they've probably been convinced by the

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CIA and the other

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that either it's a sensitive topic that

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we shouldn't bring up or there's nothing

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to it but what what say you Frank

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well regardless of what true and told

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Jim Mosley his actions were a little bit

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different he was briefed on a regular

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basis by his personal Air Force aide

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general Robert Landry on a regular basis

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regarding the hot UFO cases that were

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coming in during his administration and

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of course obviously the meeting in the

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White House about the 52 incident which

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took place on September 3rd 1952 and

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that a little bit more than a month

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after the the incidents kind of died

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down it was pretty clear that that

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Truman that took the UFO situation

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pretty seriously and that n was on top

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of it he was not out of the loop he was

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absolutely on top of it well I'm sure

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there's only probably a few and

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listeners who haven't who are not

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familiar with that flap of 52 and the

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sighting around the Washington DC area

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but capsulize it for us to tell us

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exactly what went on and what was the

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high point of the activity well sure

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sightings from both commercial and

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military pilots that were radar hits

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recorded by military and commercial

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radar scopes one of those targets

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reached seven thousand miles an hour F

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ninety fours were scrambled from Dover

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Air Force Base to intercept the UFOs one

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of the pilots of one of those f94 is

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said that he was surrounded by a number

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of UFOs while he was in the air over the

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DC area and then they just sort of cut

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out on them you know they were there and

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then they were gone but for a stretch

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there was quite worried asking the tower

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at Washington National Airport you know

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what should i do what should I do here

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there were members officers from the

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Pentagon in the tower at Washington

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National Airport during this particular

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evening when the the intercept took

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place

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one of the Air Force officers do we for

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an ad a colonel had brought in a radar

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expert with him his radar guy saw the

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targets on the radar scope he was

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convinced there was AI wasn't caused by

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any kind of temperature inversion that

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there were solid targets that the the

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targets were there for a while and then

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at first the first sweep through the f94

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is when they came in the targets left

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then the f94 is doubled back to head

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back to Dover and suddenly the targets

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were back so then they came back and

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that's where they had that aerial close

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encounter afterwards it's just it's just

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an amazing case and again it you know

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people often talk at hey why don't they

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land on the White House lawn well in

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July of 1952 they came about as close I

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think they were ever going to to landing

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on the White House lawn pretty darn

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close flying right in the neighborhood

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of the White House of the capital of

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Washington National Airport now here's

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something you probably Frank that you're

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not aware of and I don't think that too

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many people are we published the book of

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several years ago it was originally put

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out by great Barker's listeria and press

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it was not very popular it was written

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by a fellow captain Alvin Moore who had

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been in the CIA at military training I

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don't know he was responsible I think

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with Oh for over 50 patents and he had a

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keen interest in charles fort and in the

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UFO phenomena well he claims that a part

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of the what are these UFOs actually was

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shot at and blown off and landed in his

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backyard in Virginia right okay

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described quite in detail in the in this

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book that we a privately publish and

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that he took the material and put it in

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a safe that supposedly only he had the

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combination to in a very secure location

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well when he went back to retrieve the

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material the part of this the UFO that

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had been shot at and part of the object

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had landed in his backyard it was gone

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so III don't believe the guy was making

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the story up but yet there aren't any

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written records I don't believe of

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actually the objects being a shot AB

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unless you know of them and yeah I'm not

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not familiar with that in fact I'm not

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familiar of any shots being fired at

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that point now I'll have to send you a

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copy of the book and maybe maybe there's

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some something new in there you know

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because as you say you know we never we

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could never get to the you know into the

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bottom of any of this until we keep you

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know researching all the evidence and

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going back into the files it's like it

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you know a cold case you know on TV you

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see all these cases that have been

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murder cases and crime cases that they

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finally solve after many many years

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because some modern technology like DNA

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comes along and and presto the guilty

353
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party you know is discovered after many

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many decades so alright there were two

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incidences over the the capital is that

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correct on two weekends in a row well

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yeah there were a number of sightings

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from commercial pilots private pilots

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over basically the last part of July but

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that that last weekend in July that was

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when the intercept took place and that

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was kind of like the big incident and

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then again maybe roughly six weeks after

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that they had the meeting in the white

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house and my source for this is a pretty

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unimpeachable my source for all this is

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the Truman library website itself and

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now how about I think I maybe over the

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course of the years I've seen one or two

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of the individuals who were working at

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the radar you know radar tower at that

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point who had seen these pick these up

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on radar

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are there any testimony testimonies from

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the pilots themselves well I going back

376
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into the the Declassified Blue Book file

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the one of the file says that the there

378
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is a attached to it the transcript of

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the conversation back and forth between

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the pilots

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the tower unfortunately that that

382
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attachment from the original files

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doesn't seem to be in the Declassified

384
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Blue Book files so the the one thing

385
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that we do have to go by that is al

386
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chops oral history al chop for folks who

387
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were really into the the UFO

388
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documentaries there was a there was a

389
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film made in 1956 called UFO it might

390
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have been might very well have been one

391
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of the first serious movies about UFOs

392
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that was basically I still consider that

393
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probably the best documentary on the

394
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subject it's it's a really good movie it

395
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really isn't readily available anybody

396
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wants to look it up back I think I've

397
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seen it on YouTube now by the we even

398
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have copies we've sold from last a

399
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couple of couple years because it kind

400
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of filtered in into public domain and

401
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and it is it remains probably the best

402
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documentary on the on the subject

403
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certainly as far as that period goes

404
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yeah yeah what what did the tribe mean

405
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did Truman have some opinion about this

406
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or what was his feeling about you know

407
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the White House being buzzed at a

408
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Capitol area well just the fact that he

409
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wanted to be informed and where I was

410
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kept informed about the phenomena and

411
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throughout his entire throughout his

412
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entire presidency really starting in

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early 1948

414
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so when maybe yes six months or so after

415
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the you know the phenomenon sort of

416
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heated up and that that big summer you

417
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know what the Kenneth Arnold case and

418
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then the Roswell case after that so he

419
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was being briefed again quarterly by as

420
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I like I said as earlier as Air Force

421
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aide Robert Landry again the source on

422
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that is again the the Truman library

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website Landry provided them with a with

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an oral history and said it you know so

425
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yeah you got to believe it why would he

426
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you know why would he lie you know why

427
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:30,610
would you lie about something like that

428
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in an oral history that exactly what was

429
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Truman told uh well again he wasn't

430
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terribly specific except that he

431
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consulted with

432
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the the a tech people the air technical

433
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intelligence Center which oversaw Blue

434
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Book so I you know you have to assume

435
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that Truman wanted to hear about the hot

436
00:21:01,039 --> 00:20:57,360
cases you know the hot cases that came

437
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:01,049
up through that time frame and obviously

438
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the real hot case was the hot what would

439
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:05,519
of the hot case has been beside that

440
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:09,570
particular incident uh well you had you

441
00:21:17,149 --> 00:21:12,450
had the the Arnold case the Mantell case

442
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the the Ghandour case let's see there

443
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quite a few there was a Gulf of Mexico

444
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case where I believe they they had a

445
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radar target that they clocked at 15,000

446
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miles an hour at that point you would

447
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have had I would have to think that a

448
00:21:36,049 --> 00:21:34,049
case they absolutely would have taken a

449
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:36,059
closer look at since a couple Air Force

450
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officers were killed in an Air Force or

451
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an Air Force plane crash related to it

452
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was the the Maury island case quite a

453
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few cases I think would have would have

454
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reached the president you have to think

455
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that he wanted to hear about the hot

456
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cases well underneath the current of

457
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skepticism do you think that the the

458
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government was actually taking the

459
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seriously were they taking the subject

460
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well obviously I think it was a very

461
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seriously during the four and a half

462
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years that Landry was Truman's aide that

463
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his Air Force aide he was reporting

464
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quarterly to the President and you know

465
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and you take a look at that the history

466
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I mean there might have been some other

467
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cases that maybe none of us even know

468
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about that might have snuck in there as

469
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well there's always that possibility too

470
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and of course you know you've got the

471
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Roswell case in there too which got kind

472
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of heated for a moment at the time and

473
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then kind of disappeared for a long time

474
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until Jesse Marcel came out I I guess

475
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was initially the late 70s when he went

476
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public I think that was the timeframe

477
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when that happened attending you have

478
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well yeah

479
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I was gonna ask you know why would

480
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Truman then later on I mean after he had

481
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retired deny any knowledge that of of

482
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UFOs and and all that I mean I would

483
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think at that point what what did he

484
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have to lose uh well I guess it was

485
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those kind of old school guys you know

486
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Landry was sort of the same way he you

487
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know he kept he kept quiet about it

488
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oral histories a lot of times aren't

489
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released until after several years after

490
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the the people died you know they give

491
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the oral history and they're pretty

492
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,370
honest about it but then they're not

493
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,080
actually released until a few years

494
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after that the person actually passes

495
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away that's part of the deal well you

496
00:23:54,530 --> 00:23:51,750
know everybody Eddie I mean it's become

497
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predominant I mean you know quite a bit

498
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especially you know in the late 1990s

499
00:24:02,000 --> 00:23:59,730
and you know 2000s the whole disclosure

500
00:24:05,299 --> 00:24:02,010
movement you know trying to get the

501
00:24:08,210 --> 00:24:05,309
government to admit you know our release

502
00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:08,220
you know their so-called information

503
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that they supposedly you know hold about

504
00:24:17,630 --> 00:24:14,880
the UFOs but I mean you know what what

505
00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:17,640
do you think I mean you know you you

506
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:20,150
study that you know the early history

507
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like that and and with presidents like

508
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Truman disavowing all knowledge I mean

509
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do you think that they know anything at

510
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:30,720
all or do you think that they are

511
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probably just as much in the dark even

512
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today as the rest of us are me you know

513
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I mean maybe they have a little bit more

514
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information you know some good some good

515
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film taking you know taken from the what

516
00:24:50,030 --> 00:24:47,400
are they call the the gun gun cameras

517
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you know on the plains but for the most

518
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part you know they're just loath to

519
00:24:56,299 --> 00:24:54,540
admit that they're pretty much as much

520
00:25:00,159 --> 00:24:56,309
in the dark as we are there's a you know

521
00:25:03,020 --> 00:25:00,169
as a civilian you know research well if

522
00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:03,030
this is where Roswell kind of comes in

523
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:05,910
doesn't it I mean if if Roswell happened

524
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and they're not in the dark are they I

525
00:25:13,070 --> 00:25:10,590
mean you know it

526
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I mean you know they could have crap you

527
00:25:19,249 --> 00:25:15,720
know uh machinery and and even bodies

528
00:25:21,019 --> 00:25:19,259
but you know that really doesn't tell

529
00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:21,029
them much I mean I doubt if they're you

530
00:25:23,899 --> 00:25:22,679
know they they would find a book in

531
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there it said you know like how to serve

532
00:25:31,100 --> 00:25:27,350
a man or or something like that you know

533
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:31,110
and and you know you've got if they did

534
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,090
recover a body and it was humanoid then

535
00:25:44,539 --> 00:25:40,320
you know I mean are you

536
00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:44,549
it still doesn't confirm or deny that

537
00:25:49,999 --> 00:25:46,529
we're talking about extraterrestrials

538
00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:50,009
you know I mean it could hear it it

539
00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:51,480
could be anything really I mean you know

540
00:25:58,629 --> 00:25:55,230
just because you have a craft a craft of

541
00:26:01,820 --> 00:25:58,639
high technology and and a humanoid body

542
00:26:04,369 --> 00:26:01,830
that I mean that's still it's still kind

543
00:26:07,609 --> 00:26:04,379
of a leap of faith to say that we're

544
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,619
dealing with extraterrestrials do you

545
00:26:11,239 --> 00:26:09,600
see the point that I'm going yeah well

546
00:26:13,989 --> 00:26:11,249
it sounds like you're leading up to some

547
00:26:16,999 --> 00:26:13,999
sort of crypto terrestrial type I mean

548
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:17,009
well I mean I I I have I have no

549
00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:19,049
theories myself you know I mean you know

550
00:26:26,570 --> 00:26:22,169
but you know I it always somewhat

551
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:26,580
bothers me the fact that I'm less unless

552
00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:29,490
the humanoid form has been reported I

553
00:26:35,810 --> 00:26:31,980
mean almost exclusively with a lot of

554
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:35,820
landed UFO cases has been cited you know

555
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:38,809
unless we're dealing with some kind of

556
00:26:43,879 --> 00:26:41,730
evolutionary process that is the same

557
00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:43,889
throughout you know I don't really you

558
00:26:48,980 --> 00:26:45,720
know like the immediate galaxy or

559
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:48,990
whatever then you know I mean it just

560
00:26:54,009 --> 00:26:51,720
seems odd to me that that were that

561
00:26:56,539 --> 00:26:54,019
we're constantly running into humanoids

562
00:26:59,779 --> 00:26:56,549
we've got some good gear on us I mean we

563
00:27:02,359 --> 00:26:59,789
really do would be in upright bipeds and

564
00:27:05,180 --> 00:27:02,369
frees up the hands to make things you

565
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:05,190
know the last time I checked I've never

566
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:10,559
seen a dog that can crochet you know but

567
00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:13,049
we've got the gear we've got the gear to

568
00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:14,700
advance our we've got the gear and that

569
00:27:19,609 --> 00:27:17,580
we've got the brains to advance and if

570
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:19,619
there's something else it's somewhere

571
00:27:23,890 --> 00:27:22,370
else somewhat similar to us then they

572
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:23,900
a little bit of a head start well then

573
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:26,510
now they might very well be well ahead

574
00:27:31,180 --> 00:27:28,880
of us but let me let me run this by you

575
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:31,190
real quick let's say let's assume that

576
00:27:37,570 --> 00:27:35,360
let's assume that in 1947 something did

577
00:27:41,170 --> 00:27:37,580
crash maybe Roswell maybe somewhere else

578
00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:41,180
and is from some advanced civilization

579
00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:43,190
where it's from who cares it doesn't

580
00:27:49,690 --> 00:27:45,740
really matter ok it's advanced more than

581
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:49,700
what we've gotten you and Tim and Tim

582
00:27:54,669 --> 00:27:52,730
we're the brain trust and we got we we

583
00:27:56,530 --> 00:27:54,679
got it it's our task to kind of figure

584
00:27:57,940 --> 00:27:56,540
out what to do with this advanced thing

585
00:27:59,680 --> 00:27:57,950
how are we going to take advantage of

586
00:28:04,060 --> 00:27:59,690
this well it's got advanced propulsion

587
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:04,070
and it's got advanced avionics and we're

588
00:28:07,390 --> 00:28:05,330
looking at this stuff and we can't

589
00:28:09,370 --> 00:28:07,400
figure we can't make head nor tails of

590
00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:09,380
it but we have been able to figure out

591
00:28:13,210 --> 00:28:11,929
one thing and this is one pretty

592
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:13,220
important thing we've been able to

593
00:28:19,690 --> 00:28:16,370
figure out what it's made of and it's

594
00:28:21,970 --> 00:28:19,700
made of a metal that there there is no

595
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:21,980
commercial industry for it anywhere on

596
00:28:29,620 --> 00:28:25,730
the world and it's the has the the

597
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:29,630
highest strength to weight ratio of any

598
00:28:33,490 --> 00:28:31,730
metal on our planet we know it's made of

599
00:28:36,299 --> 00:28:33,500
roughly the same stuff it's essentially

600
00:28:40,540 --> 00:28:36,309
the same as the metals on our planet and

601
00:28:42,010 --> 00:28:40,550
this ship is made of a metal that is on

602
00:28:44,350 --> 00:28:42,020
our planet and we're just not taking

603
00:28:49,150 --> 00:28:44,360
advantage of it what do you think that

604
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:49,160
we should do about it what would you do

605
00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:52,880
about it well yeah what I would do about

606
00:29:00,730 --> 00:28:58,730
it is start a commercial industry using

607
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:00,740
taking a full advantage of that metal

608
00:29:14,970 --> 00:29:06,080
and has that been done yes it's called

609
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:14,980
titanium ok titanium is used in the

610
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:19,850
manufacturing of rocket oh absolutely I

611
00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:22,640
know that we could have gotten to the

612
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,110
moon in the timeframe that we did

613
00:29:28,210 --> 00:29:26,480
without titanium some of the facets that

614
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:28,220
planes in the world take full advantage

615
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:29,120
of titanium

616
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:31,130
what happened was this we're breaking

617
00:29:35,170 --> 00:29:33,440
the sound barrier most well actually is

618
00:29:36,910 --> 00:29:35,180
even that through World War two

619
00:29:38,590 --> 00:29:36,920
a lot of the plans were still live man

620
00:29:40,330 --> 00:29:38,600
you not all but a lot of them were still

621
00:29:43,330 --> 00:29:40,340
manufactured that there they were wood

622
00:29:45,730 --> 00:29:43,340
and there are wood structures some of

623
00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:45,740
them not all of them but and the rest of

624
00:29:51,670 --> 00:29:48,830
Steel you know and steel is heavy steel

625
00:29:54,220 --> 00:29:51,680
is really heavy and aluminium they had

626
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:54,230
aluminium back then then it was used

627
00:30:00,550 --> 00:29:57,200
widely but aluminium of course a lot

628
00:30:03,490 --> 00:30:00,560
lighter than steel but it's soft when

629
00:30:06,460 --> 00:30:03,500
you start flying planes at supersonic

630
00:30:09,820 --> 00:30:06,470
speeds that air friction heats up these

631
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,830
planes okay and fry an aluminum plane

632
00:30:13,470 --> 00:30:11,600
couldn't fly that fast because quite

633
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:13,480
frankly it had melt it would fall apart

634
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:17,810
hmm titanium doesn't do that to give you

635
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:21,170
an idea the the sr-71 which is basically

636
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:24,890
an all titanium plane finally put

637
00:30:29,860 --> 00:30:27,440
together in the the early 60s at that

638
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:29,870
top Mach 3 that that was a plane that

639
00:30:36,370 --> 00:30:32,770
could fly more than 2,000 miles an hour

640
00:30:39,250 --> 00:30:36,380
and when did what did titanium uh you

641
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:39,260
know officially come about well I they

642
00:30:43,690 --> 00:30:41,450
knew about it the difficulty with it was

643
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:43,700
always extracting it from the war was a

644
00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:46,310
real difficult expensive process and

645
00:30:50,770 --> 00:30:48,350
that's why commercial industry didn't

646
00:30:51,610 --> 00:30:50,780
want to touch it a guy from the

647
00:30:54,730 --> 00:30:51,620
Netherlands

648
00:30:57,580 --> 00:30:54,740
William Krall developed it in the 1930s

649
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,590
he came over to the States tried to sell

650
00:31:01,930 --> 00:31:00,080
it to a commercial you know the steel

651
00:31:03,790 --> 00:31:01,940
company a US Steel whoever else was a

652
00:31:06,220 --> 00:31:03,800
business in those days for public steel

653
00:31:07,510 --> 00:31:06,230
or whoever you know the the steel

654
00:31:10,780 --> 00:31:07,520
companies none of them would touch it

655
00:31:12,850 --> 00:31:10,790
because you know they they couldn't

656
00:31:15,790 --> 00:31:12,860
figure out a use for it and it was just

657
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:15,800
too expensive to extract from the ore so

658
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:18,110
they sent him back to Europe and that

659
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:21,110
was a finally obviously you know world

660
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:22,850
war ii kind of heated up and the nazis

661
00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:26,000
kind of took over the Benelux country so

662
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:28,070
you saw the writing on the wall on that

663
00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:30,650
came back permanently and i lived over

664
00:31:37,540 --> 00:31:33,860
here got a job with the the US Bureau of

665
00:31:41,140 --> 00:31:37,550
Mines and we we had the process we had

666
00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:41,150
the process to extract the titanium from

667
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:44,870
the titanium ore and the reason why all

668
00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:46,570
of a sudden

669
00:31:51,340 --> 00:31:49,070
commercial industry I was suddenly

670
00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:51,350
interested in getting into this business

671
00:31:59,680 --> 00:31:54,590
was because of price supports provided

672
00:32:02,430 --> 00:31:59,690
by the US federal government now I just

673
00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:02,440
want to get back to the the President

674
00:32:07,330 --> 00:32:05,030
presidential thing for a moment you talk

675
00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:07,340
about Harry Truman we've heard many

676
00:32:12,610 --> 00:32:10,190
rumors over the years some of them

677
00:32:15,970 --> 00:32:12,620
actually going back decades although it

678
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:15,980
seems that they have been more prevalent

679
00:32:22,830 --> 00:32:19,490
in recent times that Eisenhower

680
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:22,840
President Eisenhower had some sort of

681
00:32:29,409 --> 00:32:25,450
contact with the beings from these

682
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:29,419
crafts you put any credibility into

683
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:35,650
these stories no why would that be

684
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:39,530
because they're stories because well but

685
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:41,210
are you familiar with the fact that a

686
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:44,720
letter was actually written back around

687
00:32:51,610 --> 00:32:50,000
I was thinking around 1954 1955 to the

688
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:51,620
address to the borderland Sciences

689
00:32:57,850 --> 00:32:54,159
Research Association that kind of

690
00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:57,860
mentioned names including a when I think

691
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:58,970
it was a Catholic or somebody

692
00:33:04,990 --> 00:33:01,360
representative from the Vatican Church

693
00:33:07,630 --> 00:33:05,000
what why would why would that account be

694
00:33:11,409 --> 00:33:07,640
any less credible than something from

695
00:33:12,940 --> 00:33:11,419
Roswell or anywhere else well I'm not

696
00:33:15,789 --> 00:33:12,950
familiar with it I'd like to see it you

697
00:33:17,649 --> 00:33:15,799
know take a look at anything it's yeah

698
00:33:19,779 --> 00:33:17,659
it's been it's been fly me that letter

699
00:33:22,539 --> 00:33:19,789
has been in in fact it kind of surprised

700
00:33:24,220 --> 00:33:22,549
me of course because that event was it

701
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:24,230
was known about you know what we're

702
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:26,450
talking about now what 60 years of UFOs

703
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:29,600
was pretty hard that's pretty hard for

704
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:31,250
anybody to have the capability to

705
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:34,130
remember anything and I'm kind of like a

706
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:38,720
second-generation guy I I came along in

707
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:45,110
about 1956 or 57 I was pretty young I

708
00:33:49,210 --> 00:33:46,730
had my first sighting when I was 10

709
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:49,220
years old but no I can't remember where

710
00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:54,080
I put my keys in my apartment but I can

711
00:33:57,250 --> 00:33:55,460
remember stuff that's in my file

712
00:33:58,750 --> 00:33:57,260
cabinets from that period I have a

713
00:33:59,950 --> 00:33:58,760
pretty good you know I mean detail is

714
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,960
kind of a you know faith

715
00:34:04,510 --> 00:34:02,000
over the years but there are so many

716
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:04,520
cases out there that really should be

717
00:34:10,780 --> 00:34:07,010
should be backtracked and there just

718
00:34:12,730 --> 00:34:10,790
isn't the number of researchers to do it

719
00:34:16,210 --> 00:34:12,740
in a qua you know everybody seems to

720
00:34:17,470 --> 00:34:16,220
have an agenda I mean let's face it some

721
00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:17,480
people believe in Roswell

722
00:34:21,610 --> 00:34:19,250
some people don't my feeling about

723
00:34:23,380 --> 00:34:21,620
Roswell is that yes something probably

724
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:23,390
crashed it certainly was not a mogul

725
00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:26,650
balloon but I'm more likely to pin it on

726
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:30,710
the the Nazis engineers and scientists

727
00:34:34,450 --> 00:34:32,690
that the government brought into this

728
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:34,460
country on their paper you know Project

729
00:34:38,410 --> 00:34:36,560
Paperclip right because they had but

730
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:38,420
they hadn't been in the you know doing a

731
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:41,330
channeling and and trying to establish

732
00:34:47,110 --> 00:34:44,480
contact with the UFO beings going back

733
00:34:50,850 --> 00:34:47,120
as far as about 1920 in Germany and they

734
00:34:53,950 --> 00:34:50,860
even have you know the diagrams and

735
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:53,960
illustrations of these this shape de

736
00:34:58,690 --> 00:34:56,330
crafts some of which look remarkably

737
00:35:01,300 --> 00:34:58,700
similar to the the ones that supposedly

738
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:01,310
George Adamski took photographs of and

739
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:02,720
I'm certainly not a big supporter of

740
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:06,650
George Adamski because he was a New Ager

741
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:08,690
and claimed that he has spent his most

742
00:35:13,810 --> 00:35:11,330
of his childhood in Tibet and we just

743
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:13,820
know that that's just totally absurd I

744
00:35:18,940 --> 00:35:16,730
mean 80% of what he said was just

745
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:18,950
totally welcome but maybe there's some

746
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:22,160
truth to the other 20% but there has

747
00:35:29,170 --> 00:35:24,560
been this persistent rumor about you

748
00:35:33,610 --> 00:35:29,180
know like having this you know he was

749
00:35:35,470 --> 00:35:33,620
out in Palm Springs and the they made up

750
00:35:41,110 --> 00:35:35,480
the story to sort of dodge the press

751
00:35:43,690 --> 00:35:41,120
that but he actually went to I've heard

752
00:35:47,260 --> 00:35:43,700
a couple of he went to it was Alamogordo

753
00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:47,270
or Edwards and that's where supposedly

754
00:35:53,170 --> 00:35:50,630
the meeting that took place and they

755
00:35:55,950 --> 00:35:53,180
signed the treaty to exchange technology

756
00:35:59,560 --> 00:35:55,960
for letting the aliens get away with the

757
00:36:02,050 --> 00:35:59,570
with the abduction in the fantasy I mean

758
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:02,060
you know but the original story there

759
00:36:05,830 --> 00:36:03,650
now that was Murdoch

760
00:36:07,570 --> 00:36:05,840
air force base I think in those days and

761
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:07,580
and of course there was a letter all

762
00:36:13,810 --> 00:36:11,930
right okay and so yep there were there

763
00:36:16,510 --> 00:36:13,820
was a lot of strange activity and

764
00:36:20,050 --> 00:36:16,520
and phenomena being seen around that

765
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:20,060
area and in fact I published in a book

766
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:23,570
that we did on Death Valley Encounters

767
00:36:26,830 --> 00:36:24,890
that the military had there where they

768
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:26,840
would actually watch through their their

769
00:36:31,330 --> 00:36:28,810
nights scope and through binoculars

770
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:31,340
these beings that seemed to be wandering

771
00:36:35,710 --> 00:36:34,310
around on the perimeter of the the

772
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:35,720
military base there for lack of a better

773
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:39,680
term a Bigfoot or Sasquatch but most of

774
00:36:43,690 --> 00:36:41,570
them were kind of held by you know

775
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:43,700
instead of the dark haired or something

776
00:36:47,170 --> 00:36:45,050
like that there's all sorts of

777
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:47,180
persistent rumors about underground the

778
00:36:53,020 --> 00:36:49,130
way the smoke there's fire as they say

779
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:53,030
and that the Edwards Air Force Base has

780
00:36:58,060 --> 00:36:55,850
has a lot of ongoing activity I don't

781
00:37:01,290 --> 00:36:58,070
know about recently but we're not about

782
00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:01,300
seeing the film and turning it over to

783
00:37:06,010 --> 00:37:04,040
guys from Washington that that took

784
00:37:09,070 --> 00:37:06,020
place in Moroccan words whatever well

785
00:37:11,860 --> 00:37:09,080
you know you know Gordon Cooper actually

786
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:11,870
called me on the phone and told me that

787
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:16,160
the story he had heard a that I had gone

788
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:18,530
on I don't know long john showers some

789
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:21,650
program and said that he had witnessed

790
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:24,770
the the had seen the bodies of the you

791
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:27,290
know crash beings from Roswell which I

792
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:28,910
never said that at all what he had said

793
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:30,290
on the Merv Griffin Show if you have a

794
00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:32,480
transcript of that he talked about how

795
00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:34,910
there had been reports of these alien

796
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:36,110
bodies and stuff like they needed

797
00:37:39,250 --> 00:37:37,520
necessary he didn't say that he thought

798
00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:39,260
it didn't even necessarily said that he

799
00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:40,760
believed that he was just you know

800
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:43,160
reporting the the accounts that were in

801
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:45,770
the the media at the the time but he

802
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,810
told me and not only about this incident

803
00:37:52,750 --> 00:37:50,000
at the Edwards Air Force Base where this

804
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:52,760
object had landed and they took motion

805
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:54,110
picture footage probably sixteen

806
00:37:59,560 --> 00:37:56,690
millimeter you know with a handheld

807
00:38:02,830 --> 00:37:59,570
camera and the film was turned over to

808
00:38:05,230 --> 00:38:02,840
him he screened it numerous times he was

809
00:38:07,330 --> 00:38:05,240
convinced that it was something not made

810
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:07,340
on this planet that it was of unknown

811
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:10,310
origin he called his superiors in

812
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:12,410
Washington wanting to know what he

813
00:38:16,990 --> 00:38:14,000
should do about it and they told him to

814
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:17,000
just send the film onto and into the

815
00:38:21,490 --> 00:38:19,250
Pentagon or some other Authority and

816
00:38:23,590 --> 00:38:21,500
that they would get back to him in time

817
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:23,600
to tell him of their evaluation of

818
00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:26,000
course that's the last thing that I ever

819
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:27,350
you know ever

820
00:38:34,930 --> 00:38:31,280
I'm sure some of course you know I mean

821
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:34,940
and then over Germany he when he was in

822
00:38:38,140 --> 00:38:36,320
a station over there they had those

823
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:38,150
sightings two or three days in a row

824
00:38:41,410 --> 00:38:39,440
where the objects were picked up on

825
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:41,420
radar and they would scoot up into the

826
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:44,570
sky and chase these things and you know

827
00:38:48,910 --> 00:38:47,570
they would always outdistance them so

828
00:38:51,070 --> 00:38:48,920
the room you know the rumors have been

829
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:51,080
around for a long time

830
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:53,210
and it does seem like that period of the

831
00:38:59,380 --> 00:38:56,960
50s was quite an active you know period

832
00:39:01,300 --> 00:38:59,390
in the history of UFOs in this country

833
00:39:05,650 --> 00:39:01,310
of course there been other flaps you

834
00:39:08,260 --> 00:39:05,660
know 1966 and oh the what was it 1970s

835
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,270
three or seventy-five Google and all

836
00:39:12,220 --> 00:39:10,400
that but you know I started up believing

837
00:39:14,970 --> 00:39:12,230
in Pascagoula and I don't believe in

838
00:39:18,460 --> 00:39:14,980
Pascagoula anymore and you know why

839
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:18,470
Calvin Parker Calvin Parker who had been

840
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:20,450
silent for many many years

841
00:39:25,570 --> 00:39:22,910
appeared in one of our conferences that

842
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:25,580
we had in Phoenix I was putting on UFO

843
00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:27,170
conferences going back many many years

844
00:39:31,390 --> 00:39:29,390
long before anybody else was I was doing

845
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:31,400
this and he told this incredibly bizarre

846
00:39:36,340 --> 00:39:34,310
and off-the-wall story about how when he

847
00:39:38,380 --> 00:39:36,350
was taken into the ship account with

848
00:39:39,790 --> 00:39:38,390
Charles Dickens and he was put in a

849
00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:39,800
separate room and there was a naked

850
00:39:44,770 --> 00:39:42,700
female alien there and they had sex and

851
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:44,780
he was told that the aliens were

852
00:39:48,340 --> 00:39:46,370
responsible for aids there so it was

853
00:39:50,770 --> 00:39:48,350
just totally just totally off-the-wall

854
00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:50,780
and had no bearing on anything else and

855
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:53,150
I realized he was just trying to you

856
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:54,410
know he was trying to go commercial with

857
00:39:59,860 --> 00:39:56,720
this and thought he would you know come

858
00:40:01,690 --> 00:39:59,870
up with a formula to to do a TV show or

859
00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:01,700
something and I kind of just thought you

860
00:40:07,570 --> 00:40:04,910
know I lost it after that it's just it

861
00:40:09,790 --> 00:40:07,580
went from you know like a maybe a top 10

862
00:40:11,950 --> 00:40:09,800
story way down to the bottom of the of

863
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:11,960
the list though well you can rest

864
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:14,930
assured that when I'm digging up digging

865
00:40:20,410 --> 00:40:17,570
through presidential archives from 60

866
00:40:22,330 --> 00:40:20,420
and now 70 years ago and looking at the

867
00:40:24,730 --> 00:40:22,340
development of the titanium industry

868
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:24,740
that a commercial is the last thing on

869
00:40:41,050 --> 00:40:37,850
my mind the program but I do want to get

870
00:40:43,630 --> 00:40:41,060
into the aloni as more

871
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:43,640
case now I have to take issue with you

872
00:40:47,590 --> 00:40:46,130
on this one I I'm just sorry to me

873
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:47,600
there's there's too much in the way of

874
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:50,630
evidence that's something very peculiar

875
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:52,610
I took place there and and the

876
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:54,710
likelihood that some students from a

877
00:41:01,020 --> 00:40:57,680
nearby University were responsible it

878
00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:01,030
just it just does it doesn't cut water

879
00:41:07,210 --> 00:41:03,710
with me you know in fact the Ted

880
00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:07,220
Phillips was one of the investigators on

881
00:41:11,410 --> 00:41:09,230
the the case when he was very young you

882
00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:11,420
know and he became a tightly associated

883
00:41:17,650 --> 00:41:14,390
with dr. Hynek and we had him on the

884
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:17,660
first show of the unraveling the secrets

885
00:41:23,380 --> 00:41:21,170
here and you know to me there's no doubt

886
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:23,390
that something landed there and that he

887
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:25,730
had a legitimate sighting but you tell

888
00:41:30,060 --> 00:41:27,650
us your your ear take on this because

889
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:30,070
it's certainly fascinating and and

890
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:33,410
different okay well certainly yeah well

891
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:35,330
let me yeah let me run that the source

892
00:41:42,580 --> 00:41:39,130
of all this by you first okay one of the

893
00:41:44,770 --> 00:41:42,590
I've been corresponding going back and

894
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:44,780
forth with different researchers

895
00:41:51,220 --> 00:41:47,330
different friends in the business and

896
00:41:53,860 --> 00:41:51,230
that there are wellspring sparks for

897
00:41:55,690 --> 00:41:53,870
ideas look at this look at that and I

898
00:41:57,970 --> 00:41:55,700
was going back and forth with a

899
00:42:01,930 --> 00:41:57,980
researcher named Tony Berg a Leo a while

900
00:42:03,610 --> 00:42:01,940
back and one thing he asked me and you

901
00:42:05,530 --> 00:42:03,620
know hey you're looking around and you

902
00:42:08,020 --> 00:42:05,540
ever run into anything related to a

903
00:42:09,550 --> 00:42:08,030
gentleman named Clyde Williams who ran

904
00:42:11,410 --> 00:42:09,560
the other Battelle Memorial Institute

905
00:42:13,650 --> 00:42:11,420
which is not too far from

906
00:42:15,730 --> 00:42:13,660
wright-patterson Air Force Base and UFOs

907
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:15,740
get back to me let me know so I said

908
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:19,040
okay what so let's do that so I came up

909
00:42:24,850 --> 00:42:22,310
with some things about Williams and was

910
00:42:27,460 --> 00:42:24,860
looking through and saw the name Linus

911
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:27,470
Pauling now that that to me Oh Linus

912
00:42:32,370 --> 00:42:29,210
Pauling is one of the greatest Americans

913
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:32,380
who ever lived he won two Nobel prizes

914
00:42:39,820 --> 00:42:36,800
one in chemistry the other in peace just

915
00:42:42,970 --> 00:42:39,830
a great man he really was but he had

916
00:42:44,860 --> 00:42:42,980
some correspondence with Williams so I

917
00:42:48,670 --> 00:42:44,870
just not a curiosity I thought well you

918
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,680
know what let me yeah let me just do a

919
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:50,720
quick internet search on Linus Pauling

920
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:53,250
and UFOs and see what comes up well this

921
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:56,160
turned out what did come up was when

922
00:43:01,070 --> 00:42:58,890
Pauling died yeah left his archives to

923
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:01,080
the Oregon State University so they had

924
00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:02,850
it there and that what they have is that

925
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:04,350
they've got an Internet blog where

926
00:43:08,090 --> 00:43:05,910
occasionally they write about some of

927
00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:08,100
the different things that that are among

928
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:10,680
the papers and as it turned out maybe

929
00:43:16,570 --> 00:43:13,680
just a couple months before I made this

930
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:16,580
finding they had an article about

931
00:43:22,070 --> 00:43:19,680
Pauling's interest in UFOs a couple

932
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:22,080
things were really interesting one at

933
00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:23,610
least at one point during the mid

934
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:27,470
sixties he was considering undertaking a

935
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:31,710
research project on UFOs themselves and

936
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:33,510
he laid out what he thought would be a

937
00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:36,090
good good framework for putting together

938
00:43:48,650 --> 00:43:42,830
a UFO research paper or forum conference

939
00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:48,660
what-have-you and also there was a piece

940
00:44:00,980 --> 00:43:57,050
regarding us back and forth he had with

941
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:00,990
the president of the local university in

942
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:06,690
Socorro sterling Colgate okay and at one

943
00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:10,110
point Pauling wrote Colgate hey do you

944
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,460
know anything about this Lonnie Zamora

945
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:13,440
case what do you think about it and

946
00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:16,050
Colgate wrote him back and said it was a

947
00:44:23,570 --> 00:44:19,800
student hoax well those two findings

948
00:44:25,820 --> 00:44:23,580
came up I got back to my buddy Tony and

949
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:25,830
told him that you know this is what I

950
00:44:28,310 --> 00:44:26,370
found

951
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:28,320
looking at this I thought it was kind of

952
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:31,410
interesting this this scientific paper

953
00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:35,040
that Pauling had laid out I thought that

954
00:44:37,850 --> 00:44:36,630
was the really interesting item I

955
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:37,860
thought that was the thing that was

956
00:44:41,810 --> 00:44:40,140
really gonna follow up on Tony looked at

957
00:44:43,940 --> 00:44:41,820
the Socorro thing go well I'm gonna

958
00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:43,950
follow up on this this is I got to get a

959
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:46,200
hold of this guy Stirling Colgate and as

960
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:47,370
it turned out he did

961
00:44:52,510 --> 00:44:49,290
Colgate was still alive at that point he

962
00:44:55,220 --> 00:44:52,520
was in his 90s and Tony wrote him and

963
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:55,230
Colgate got back to him and confirmed

964
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:56,850
that yeah you know it was a student

965
00:45:00,290 --> 00:44:58,410
notes I know who did it you know ever

966
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,300
I'm still in contact with these guys

967
00:45:04,010 --> 00:45:02,400
there were students at the time and you

968
00:45:06,099 --> 00:45:04,020
know now they're now they're working

969
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:06,109
retired so they had full career

970
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:08,210
scientists how the retired guys they

971
00:45:12,579 --> 00:45:09,650
don't want anything to do with the UFO

972
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:12,589
business but yeah that's you know it's

973
00:45:17,319 --> 00:45:14,930
like Jim Oberg when I investigated the

974
00:45:19,299 --> 00:45:17,329
the case of the astronaut so it had a

975
00:45:22,509 --> 00:45:19,309
sightings in space you know and

976
00:45:24,220 --> 00:45:22,519
including the Gordon Cooper incident I

977
00:45:25,779 --> 00:45:24,230
mean you can say anything that you want

978
00:45:29,049 --> 00:45:25,789
it didn't happen and so forth and so on

979
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:29,059
there's a big leap of faith and saying

980
00:45:33,009 --> 00:45:31,130
that this is what happened and offering

981
00:45:34,479 --> 00:45:33,019
evidence that it did I mean as far as

982
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:34,489
I'm concerned

983
00:45:41,140 --> 00:45:39,200
okay well of all the people that might

984
00:45:43,269 --> 00:45:41,150
might have an opinion on on this

985
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:43,279
particular case whose would you rank

986
00:45:51,339 --> 00:45:49,970
highest Ted Phillips really you would

987
00:45:54,430 --> 00:45:51,349
you would you wouldn't rank Lonnie

988
00:45:57,279 --> 00:45:54,440
Zamora is highest oh well oh bloody

989
00:46:01,150 --> 00:45:57,289
outside of the witness well yeah well

990
00:46:04,299 --> 00:46:01,160
yeah well more when that when Lonnie

991
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:04,309
Zamora was at his closest point it is in

992
00:46:09,249 --> 00:46:06,049
his original report when he was at his

993
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:09,259
closest point to this vehicle that was

994
00:46:14,019 --> 00:46:11,210
that was lifting off and leaving the

995
00:46:16,509 --> 00:46:14,029
area you just said it looks like a

996
00:46:18,249 --> 00:46:16,519
balloon that's what he said it didn't

997
00:46:20,849 --> 00:46:18,259
look like an extraterrestrial craft it

998
00:46:23,979 --> 00:46:20,859
didn't look like some sort of exotic

999
00:46:26,529 --> 00:46:23,989
experimental vehicle that there that the

1000
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:26,539
Air Force was putting together NASA was

1001
00:46:32,019 --> 00:46:29,049
putting together he said it looks like

1002
00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:32,029
Frank look at look at the the object in

1003
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:35,150
Roswell it's described is a feeling like

1004
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:37,849
pliable aluminum or something like that

1005
00:46:44,140 --> 00:46:40,160
I mean UFOs come in all shapes and sizes

1006
00:46:46,299 --> 00:46:44,150
and perhaps of different substances you

1007
00:46:47,650 --> 00:46:46,309
know it's it's not to say that it's a

1008
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:47,660
balloon because maybe it looked like

1009
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:49,249
that you know and I I haven't

1010
00:46:52,690 --> 00:46:50,480
particularly read as that in the

1011
00:46:55,749 --> 00:46:52,700
official Air Force transcripts or

1012
00:46:58,029 --> 00:46:55,759
interviews absolutely it is when some

1013
00:47:01,120 --> 00:46:58,039
more was originally drawn to the scene

1014
00:47:05,049 --> 00:47:01,130
that by a speeding black Chevrolet that

1015
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:05,059
was driven it was driven by he described

1016
00:47:11,019 --> 00:47:07,730
as a boy about 17 which would be roughly

1017
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:11,029
college age okay then as he was chasing

1018
00:47:16,810 --> 00:47:14,480
this car his attention is drawn to a war

1019
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:16,820
and a flame and

1020
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:19,650
that's sort of off to his right as he's

1021
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:23,970
driving south out of Socorro off to off

1022
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:26,490
to his right okay he never sees any kind

1023
00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:29,010
of vehicle land he hears a roar and a

1024
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,660
flame in the sky doesn't describe any

1025
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:32,160
vehicle he's real specific about this

1026
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:34,410
Lonnie Zamora is a great UFO witness

1027
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,510
okay I want to read be really clear

1028
00:47:40,940 --> 00:47:38,640
about that he's a fantastic UFO witness

1029
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:40,950
I've got a lot of respect for UFO

1030
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:44,010
witnesses and again I want to make this

1031
00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:45,810
very clear I was a more is a great

1032
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:49,460
witness and when you read his account of

1033
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:53,220
what happened that day it that you know

1034
00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:55,310
you don't have to believe my position or

1035
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,530
agree with me but you at least have to

1036
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:00,720
respect the fact that it

1037
00:48:05,330 --> 00:48:02,730
Wednes at least a little bit more

1038
00:48:07,790 --> 00:48:05,340
credibility well anyway when as a moral

1039
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:07,800
has to get to where this roar and flame

1040
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:09,930
is he's got to go off the main road he's

1041
00:48:15,410 --> 00:48:11,730
got to go up sort of like a dirt road

1042
00:48:17,540 --> 00:48:15,420
and it's sort of up and then as he's

1043
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:17,550
when he gets the the crest of this hill

1044
00:48:22,580 --> 00:48:19,500
that he's got a climb in his eye in this

1045
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:22,590
police car he looks down at a Roy oh

1046
00:48:29,810 --> 00:48:28,110
okay and he sees at some distance he

1047
00:48:32,090 --> 00:48:29,820
sees what he what he thinks because he's

1048
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:32,100
pretty far away from it what he thinks

1049
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:34,050
is an overturned car and he sees a

1050
00:48:38,420 --> 00:48:36,450
couple people there and overhauls so

1051
00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:38,430
here's a this is another key point

1052
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:40,200
yeah I'd never sees any kind of vehicle

1053
00:48:44,420 --> 00:48:42,210
and when he gets to the point where he

1054
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:44,430
sees where this vehicle is it's on the

1055
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:45,960
ground and he sees a couple of people

1056
00:48:51,110 --> 00:48:48,510
outside the vehicle already he never

1057
00:48:53,060 --> 00:48:51,120
sees anybody get into or out of any kind

1058
00:48:55,610 --> 00:48:53,070
of space craft aircraft whatever the

1059
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:55,620
case may be again he is real specific

1060
00:49:01,340 --> 00:48:58,050
about that okay now when he drives

1061
00:49:03,830 --> 00:49:01,350
closer and for him to drive closer the

1062
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:03,840
way this road works is as he drives

1063
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:07,440
closer to this vehicle suddenly there's

1064
00:49:11,690 --> 00:49:09,210
a there's a hill there's an up crop

1065
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,700
there and he's actually the closer he

1066
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:13,920
gets to it he's not able to see the

1067
00:49:19,850 --> 00:49:16,380
vehicle anymore okay until he gets very

1068
00:49:22,670 --> 00:49:19,860
very close to it okay so in that time

1069
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:22,680
frame I believe that he has that the the

1070
00:49:27,380 --> 00:49:24,510
people who were putting together this

1071
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:27,390
sort of prank I had enough time to you

1072
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:29,880
know launch their balloon and then get

1073
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:30,570
out of there

1074
00:49:35,090 --> 00:49:33,210
they've what they brought the balloon to

1075
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:35,100
the area what in a trucker they blew it

1076
00:49:40,010 --> 00:49:37,290
up when they got there or my

1077
00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:40,020
understanding is a perk Holgate in his

1078
00:49:43,610 --> 00:49:41,880
correspondence with tony is that they

1079
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:43,620
they use some kind of a flame maybe like

1080
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:47,010
some a UFO skeptic i mean there are

1081
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:48,480
people that have said all things about

1082
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:50,850
ufos that just turn out not to be true

1083
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:52,710
you know they plan to see you know we

1084
00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:54,510
don't know that we don't know that but

1085
00:50:01,070 --> 00:49:57,000
you've got some Moore's testimony you've

1086
00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:01,080
got that amorous well every you know it

1087
00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:02,910
seems about every investigator who ever

1088
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:06,180
studied the case you know agrees that it

1089
00:50:10,820 --> 00:50:08,460
was you know as something very unusual

1090
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:10,830
that took place and it doesn't sound

1091
00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:12,690
like a balloon and according to Ted

1092
00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:14,460
Phillips there were other witnesses as

1093
00:50:18,830 --> 00:50:15,960
well there were other people that had

1094
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:18,840
sightings that day and the day before

1095
00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:21,090
the day after right in the vicinity

1096
00:50:27,980 --> 00:50:26,760
there I mean there was some more now why

1097
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:27,990
wouldn't somebody else you know of

1098
00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:29,130
course they'd be able to see it why

1099
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:31,020
wouldn't they you know I I don't know I

1100
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:34,530
to me the the the witness you know there

1101
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,180
was there was landing marks there was

1102
00:50:41,210 --> 00:50:37,920
bird soil I know you think they were it

1103
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:41,220
was cardboard or something uh well I'm

1104
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:42,810
not sure exactly what it was I mean

1105
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:45,690
there's some speculation there my

1106
00:50:54,380 --> 00:50:47,010
understanding is that some burnt

1107
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,390
cardboard was found in the area also and

1108
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:56,160
I say in addition to were there were

1109
00:50:59,210 --> 00:50:57,690
other sightings you could blame that on

1110
00:51:01,070 --> 00:50:59,220
the college students and why would they

1111
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:01,080
pick the court I mean why you say to

1112
00:51:09,140 --> 00:51:02,730
make it as they dress they were going to

1113
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:09,150
college in Socorro they pick up Frank

1114
00:51:13,010 --> 00:51:11,610
that oh you know the the the this

1115
00:51:15,350 --> 00:51:13,020
particular guy remember Joe Symington

1116
00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:15,360
then in Wisconsin that was given the you

1117
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,400
know UFO pancakes in the stories Brunei

1118
00:51:22,070 --> 00:51:19,440
and people said all they wanted to make

1119
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,080
that that town a you know a tourist

1120
00:51:25,970 --> 00:51:24,240
attraction well the first town that

1121
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:25,980
became a tourist attraction thanks the

1122
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,160
UFOs was Roswell so I you know I just I

1123
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:31,200
don't see how that just kind of like

1124
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,290
fits into the the the pattern there but

1125
00:51:39,290 --> 00:51:36,240
anyway that's that's that's your a take

1126
00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:39,300
on on the on the subject so what are you

1127
00:51:41,570 --> 00:51:40,260
what are you working what are you

1128
00:51:44,380 --> 00:51:41,580
working on now what would your current

1129
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:44,390
investigations my current investing

1130
00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:47,460
getting my presentation together for

1131
00:51:51,890 --> 00:51:50,220
next week so I can go out and wake

1132
00:51:52,789 --> 00:51:51,900
people up first thing in the morning

1133
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:52,799
9:30

1134
00:51:58,010 --> 00:51:55,650
get there early ladies and gentlemen I'm

1135
00:51:59,660 --> 00:51:58,020
just gonna pull you over because it's

1136
00:52:02,809 --> 00:51:59,670
not just gonna be me talking I've got my

1137
00:52:04,819 --> 00:52:02,819
PowerPoint ready and we're just gonna

1138
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,829
roll and though and there's some other

1139
00:52:09,950 --> 00:52:06,480
stuff that we haven't covered yet I

1140
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:09,960
guess we're wrapping up your plenty of

1141
00:52:15,289 --> 00:52:13,140
other material yeah that it's always a

1142
00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:15,299
very interesting you know a conference

1143
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:17,460
I've been I've known Pat for I don't

1144
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:19,710
know how many years of course he's he's

1145
00:52:24,049 --> 00:52:22,020
not you know as active as he used to be

1146
00:52:26,329 --> 00:52:24,059
but he still has a you know a guiding

1147
00:52:28,220 --> 00:52:26,339
hand and the in the organization and

1148
00:52:31,339 --> 00:52:28,230
they still have their monthly meetings

1149
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:31,349
out there in the threaten area and and

1150
00:52:35,660 --> 00:52:32,970
he's done a lot to keep the activity I

1151
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:35,670
think if it wasn't for Pat and now the

1152
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:37,890
LFL who's taken over it would be much

1153
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:40,170
going on at all on the East Coast as far

1154
00:52:43,339 --> 00:52:41,130
as UFOs go

1155
00:52:45,529 --> 00:52:43,349
of course John Ventre I think there's

1156
00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:45,539
some stuff in in Pennsylvania around

1157
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:48,030
Pittsburgh you know there's something in

1158
00:52:52,930 --> 00:52:50,130
the eastern part of the state to usual

1159
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:52,940
we had we had him on you know a few

1160
00:52:57,230 --> 00:52:55,920
weeks ago so now how do how do people

1161
00:53:00,559 --> 00:52:57,240
get in touch with you how do they find

1162
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:00,569
out you have a website or indeed I do

1163
00:53:08,059 --> 00:53:04,130
I just just do an internet search on UFO

1164
00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:08,069
partisan pa rt Isan you'll find it real

1165
00:53:12,740 --> 00:53:10,200
easy in fact in fact you have you have a

1166
00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:12,750
very interesting blog that's laid out

1167
00:53:18,980 --> 00:53:16,980
like a magazine yeah yeah you know it

1168
00:53:20,539 --> 00:53:18,990
actually actually is very good now I

1169
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,549
just don't have I haven't had the time

1170
00:53:24,740 --> 00:53:22,559
to you know I start on stuff and I get

1171
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:24,750
so many emails and I got to find guests

1172
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:26,880
for the shows and I'm publishing you

1173
00:53:30,099 --> 00:53:28,170
know all these books and stuff so I

1174
00:53:33,170 --> 00:53:30,109
never seem to completely get through

1175
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:33,180
everything which I I admit that I should

1176
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:35,130
but I was very impressed with that

1177
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:37,049
that's it's a great it's it's like a

1178
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:40,020
digest on the internet and it's very

1179
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:43,140
readable because a lot of the you know

1180
00:53:49,069 --> 00:53:47,730
the magazines and ebooks I don't know

1181
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,079
I'm just I'm just not a big fan of

1182
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:51,599
reading as stuff on the internet I I

1183
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:54,480
like my hardcore physical you know

1184
00:53:58,050 --> 00:53:57,210
magazines which of course is very

1185
00:54:00,600 --> 00:53:58,060
difficult

1186
00:54:03,630 --> 00:54:00,610
by these days the only magazine

1187
00:54:05,550 --> 00:54:03,640
published in English that I know of at

1188
00:54:09,410 --> 00:54:05,560
the moment devoted exclusively to UFOs

1189
00:54:11,850 --> 00:54:09,420
is called the Australian ufologists and

1190
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:11,860
you got it you got to kind of look a

1191
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:13,450
high and low to to find that or

1192
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:15,730
subscribe to it of course there's a 14

1193
00:54:19,950 --> 00:54:17,200
times but that's not the you know

1194
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:19,960
entirely UFOs and and that's about

1195
00:54:23,970 --> 00:54:21,370
that's about it you got to go to the

1196
00:54:26,310 --> 00:54:23,980
internet and squint to see everything

1197
00:54:28,110 --> 00:54:26,320
but good luck to you and I hope thanks a

1198
00:54:30,210 --> 00:54:28,120
lot thanks for having me the time flew

1199
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:30,220
by we will have to continue this

1200
00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:32,530
discussion and when you yeah when you

1201
00:54:37,020 --> 00:54:34,150
find out more about Lonnie's some more

1202
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:37,030
in some of these other other cases you

1203
00:54:41,220 --> 00:54:39,850
know we should unravel unravel the

1204
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:41,230
secrets and maybe we found another

1205
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:43,090
secret to unravel today and forever

1206
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,890
thank you well we'll have it we'll have

1207
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:49,680
you back on and a good luck on your

1208
00:54:55,980 --> 00:54:54,250
early morning a lecture coming up in in

1209
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:55,990
New Jersey and I'm sure you'll be

1210
00:54:59,580 --> 00:54:57,850
speaking in other other places as well

1211
00:55:02,850 --> 00:54:59,590
and we'll catch you in the future

1212
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:02,860
thanks again thank you for being on

1213
00:55:07,950 --> 00:55:05,130
bye-bye now

1214
00:55:10,350 --> 00:55:07,960
all right tip well why don't we why

1215
00:55:13,140 --> 00:55:10,360
don't we go to our break now and who we

1216
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:13,150
have coming up in our second hour oh you

1217
00:55:17,970 --> 00:55:14,530
won't believe this you know who we have

1218
00:55:21,590 --> 00:55:17,980
coming up we are going to find out

1219
00:55:24,090 --> 00:55:21,600
everything you wanted to know about

1220
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:24,100
Montour the Montauk Project and the

1221
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:26,050
Philadelphia Experiment but we're too

1222
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:30,250
confused to ask Oh fantastic that's

1223
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:32,050
that's what my favorite topics all right

1224
00:55:38,970 --> 00:55:34,140
we are going to have on the man himself

1225
00:55:40,350 --> 00:55:38,980
Peter moon all right great well let's go

1226
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:40,360
to our break then when we come back

1227
00:55:46,050 --> 00:55:43,290
we'll have Peter moon more on

1228
00:55:50,610 --> 00:55:46,060
unravelling the secret cell please stay

1229
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:50,620
tuned and we're back this is Tim Buckley

1230
00:55:56,550 --> 00:55:53,410
and this evening then Schwartz is my

1231
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:56,560
co-host because Carla Anderson the very

1232
00:56:00,090 --> 00:55:58,720
talented creative and beautiful Carla

1233
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:00,100
Anderson has the night off

1234
00:56:04,620 --> 00:56:03,130
and I know I know people are

1235
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:04,630
disappointed that it's that it's me

1236
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,730
tonight and

1237
00:56:09,380 --> 00:56:07,440
and not Carla Carla is a hard act to

1238
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:09,390
follow but I'll try to give her to us

1239
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:12,660
that's true but Tim you've been doing

1240
00:56:17,090 --> 00:56:14,730
this stuff for a long time as well and

1241
00:56:19,220 --> 00:56:17,100
you are the co-host along with Michael

1242
00:56:22,010 --> 00:56:19,230
Ahmad of your own program which I was

1243
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,020
also coming on to co-host but it got a

1244
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:24,000
little bit crowded I thought in that

1245
00:56:29,810 --> 00:56:27,810
little studio that we have and so angel

1246
00:56:34,490 --> 00:56:29,820
gave me my own spot here and but we're

1247
00:56:37,780 --> 00:56:34,500
one big happy psn radio family that's

1248
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:37,790
right our special guest for the evening

1249
00:56:44,210 --> 00:56:40,290
Peter moon who I've known for a long

1250
00:56:46,820 --> 00:56:44,220
time I've correspondent and we sell some

1251
00:56:48,530 --> 00:56:46,830
of his books and the conversation

1252
00:56:50,450 --> 00:56:48,540
tonight will Center on everything we

1253
00:56:52,610 --> 00:56:50,460
ever wanted to know about the Montauk

1254
00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:52,620
Project and the Philadelphia Experiment

1255
00:56:59,480 --> 00:56:57,000
but were too confused to ask anyway

1256
00:57:02,740 --> 00:56:59,490
Peter welcome welcome to unraveling the

1257
00:57:05,570 --> 00:57:02,750
the secrets well it's very nice here

1258
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:05,580
yeah Peter tell us a little bit about

1259
00:57:10,610 --> 00:57:08,310
how did you get into this insanity

1260
00:57:13,850 --> 00:57:10,620
that's about all that I can I can really

1261
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:13,860
call it because the Montauk Project in

1262
00:57:18,290 --> 00:57:15,570
the Philadelphia Experiment goes way

1263
00:57:21,290 --> 00:57:18,300
beyond the UFOs I mean it's just it's

1264
00:57:25,220 --> 00:57:21,300
out there in its own on its own plaque

1265
00:57:27,890 --> 00:57:25,230
towel well it's it's a neat experience

1266
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:27,900
to talk to you about it because you were

1267
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:32,520
there before I was and when I was I

1268
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:34,710
discovered if that would be the word al

1269
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:35,310
Bielek

1270
00:57:40,970 --> 00:57:38,700
who of course claimed to be the sole

1271
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:40,980
survivor of the Philippi experiment and

1272
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:44,160
do you know how I first met al can I was

1273
00:57:54,140 --> 00:57:51,570
at I was at a in Phoenix Arizona it was

1274
00:57:55,820 --> 00:57:54,150
my birthday and Brad and sherry stager

1275
00:57:58,850 --> 00:57:55,830
we're having was having a little party

1276
00:58:02,960 --> 00:57:58,860
for me and the backyard of my typesetter

1277
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:02,970
hope and there were just a few people

1278
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:04,770
there I think my friend Chris Dickey

1279
00:58:09,370 --> 00:58:06,770
who's been on the show and this

1280
00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:09,380
gentleman who was seated over on a

1281
00:58:14,330 --> 00:58:12,540
lounge chair kind of you know a few feet

1282
00:58:16,790 --> 00:58:14,340
away from the rest of the the group and

1283
00:58:18,350 --> 00:58:16,800
he had a hot dog and in one hand and a

1284
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:18,360
beer and the other and it kind of dozed

1285
00:58:22,220 --> 00:58:19,410
off

1286
00:58:23,870 --> 00:58:22,230
so I asked Brett and I said who's this

1287
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:23,880
the gentleman over there and he said oh

1288
00:58:28,990 --> 00:58:26,880
that's Al Bielek I said Oh Al Bielek he

1289
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,000
said yes al Bielek says that he was a

1290
00:58:33,499 --> 00:58:31,680
survivor of the Philadelphia Experiment

1291
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:33,509
I said well that's that's pretty unusual

1292
00:58:39,289 --> 00:58:35,490
I didn't think that there really were

1293
00:58:41,660 --> 00:58:39,299
any any sort of you know survivors

1294
00:58:45,740 --> 00:58:41,670
outside of the Carlos you know and Landy

1295
00:58:47,180 --> 00:58:45,750
and and and so you know he actually put

1296
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:47,190
the beard out or maybe you got a second

1297
00:58:52,249 --> 00:58:49,650
one and I started talking to him and he

1298
00:58:54,589 --> 00:58:52,259
told her fascinating a story and I said

1299
00:58:56,420 --> 00:58:54,599
you know al I'm having a conference out

1300
00:58:58,370 --> 00:58:56,430
here in a couple of months I'd really

1301
00:58:59,839 --> 00:58:58,380
like to get you on the program and he

1302
00:59:02,329 --> 00:58:59,849
had never done any you know public

1303
00:59:03,620 --> 00:59:02,339
speaking before he said oh I'll have to

1304
00:59:04,999 --> 00:59:03,630
think about it and I said you know

1305
00:59:06,049 --> 00:59:05,009
really do because people have always

1306
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,059
asked me about the Philadelphia

1307
00:59:11,029 --> 00:59:08,880
Experiment and what really went on there

1308
00:59:13,220 --> 00:59:11,039
and if you really are a survivor or you

1309
00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:13,230
know about this it you know it would be

1310
00:59:18,829 --> 00:59:15,660
a great service to the public to to tell

1311
00:59:22,190 --> 00:59:18,839
of your involvement so three months

1312
00:59:25,339 --> 00:59:22,200
later my program was set to you know

1313
00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:25,349
we'd rented a nice hotel facility and

1314
00:59:31,009 --> 00:59:28,440
had all sorts of speakers on the program

1315
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:31,019
you know we covered it all we had some

1316
00:59:35,630 --> 00:59:33,930
nuts and bolts of people like one of the

1317
00:59:38,210 --> 00:59:35,640
astronauts I remember was there Brian

1318
00:59:40,999 --> 00:59:38,220
O'Leary and then we had the people who

1319
00:59:42,319 --> 00:59:41,009
had a little bit more far-fetched this

1320
00:59:44,450 --> 00:59:42,329
stories to tell and that would be al

1321
00:59:46,970 --> 00:59:44,460
Bielek anyway I get to town of course

1322
00:59:49,609 --> 00:59:46,980
maybe about a week before the event to

1323
00:59:51,230 --> 00:59:49,619
start promoting it locally and Al calls

1324
00:59:52,730 --> 00:59:51,240
me one day and he says I don't know what

1325
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:52,740
to do and I said well what do you mean

1326
00:59:58,130 --> 00:59:54,000
you don't know what to do he says well

1327
01:00:01,490 --> 00:59:58,140
I've never talked before and so we

1328
01:00:03,650 --> 01:00:01,500
agreed to meet at Denny's right so we

1329
01:00:05,630 --> 01:00:03,660
meet at Denny's and I said you know well

1330
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:05,640
the best way to do this is kind of take

1331
01:00:09,620 --> 01:00:07,440
some file cards three about five file

1332
01:00:10,999 --> 01:00:09,630
cards and take some notes and kind of

1333
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:11,009
stack them in front of you and go

1334
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,930
through the you know the notes but I

1335
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:14,640
said you know you know this story so

1336
01:00:18,829 --> 01:00:16,890
well and you seem sincere about it best

1337
01:00:21,470 --> 01:00:18,839
thing to do is throw the notes away and

1338
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:21,480
tell it from the heart well I'll get up

1339
01:00:26,210 --> 01:00:23,369
there on the stage in front of about

1340
01:00:28,460 --> 01:00:26,220
maybe 300 people it was the afternoon

1341
01:00:31,460 --> 01:00:28,470
two o'clock session and he told his

1342
01:00:32,930 --> 01:00:31,470
story so well that unfortunately the

1343
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:32,940
next speaker I don't think had fifty or

1344
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:33,170
sick

1345
01:00:38,530 --> 01:00:35,119
the people in the auditorium because

1346
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:38,540
they followed our Al Bielek out into the

1347
01:00:43,210 --> 01:00:40,250
hallway like lemmings

1348
01:00:44,589 --> 01:00:43,220
you know to the sea and you know I of

1349
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:44,599
course published a couple of books a

1350
01:00:47,740 --> 01:00:46,400
Brad stager wrote one on this

1351
01:00:49,809 --> 01:00:47,750
Philadelphia Experiment and you've

1352
01:00:51,490 --> 01:00:49,819
written a subject as well but let's get

1353
01:00:54,130 --> 01:00:51,500
back to you because you're the guest how

1354
01:00:58,960 --> 01:00:54,140
did you get it and entangled in all of

1355
01:01:03,069 --> 01:00:58,970
this well I was actually sitting next to

1356
01:01:06,010 --> 01:01:03,079
Al Bielek when I saw a lecture I was

1357
01:01:09,059 --> 01:01:06,020
attending a lecture on earth changes and

1358
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:09,069
two of the people on the panel were

1359
01:01:14,170 --> 01:01:12,290
Preston Nichols and Duncan Cameron there

1360
01:01:15,579 --> 01:01:14,180
were at least three other people on that

1361
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:15,589
panel that night and I was actually

1362
01:01:21,250 --> 01:01:18,640
going to meet Preston because of his

1363
01:01:24,339 --> 01:01:21,260
inventive skills he had invented a

1364
01:01:26,770 --> 01:01:24,349
machine that he called the bio fizzled

1365
01:01:29,170 --> 01:01:26,780
in the Pyramid of sound which was

1366
01:01:32,349 --> 01:01:29,180
basically designed for balancing the

1367
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:32,359
human aura and I was interested in his

1368
01:01:38,650 --> 01:01:36,530
machine and I in order to meet him I had

1369
01:01:42,539 --> 01:01:38,660
to be subjected to a lecture which

1370
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:42,549
turned into a lecture or many

1371
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,569
information being thrown around about

1372
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:46,400
first the Philadelphia Experiment and

1373
01:01:50,859 --> 01:01:49,010
then the Montauk Project and I was

1374
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:50,869
sitting next to Al Bielek that night and

1375
01:01:56,770 --> 01:01:55,250
he was talking about it and and all

1376
01:01:59,319 --> 01:01:56,780
sorts of things because he started

1377
01:02:06,069 --> 01:01:59,329
chiming in this was a small group of

1378
01:02:08,500 --> 01:02:06,079
probably 10 to 20 people in a small new

1379
01:02:10,210 --> 01:02:08,510
I care a Long Island Long Island at the

1380
01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:10,220
that used to be called the total health

1381
01:02:14,260 --> 01:02:12,049
network it's no longer there was the

1382
01:02:15,579 --> 01:02:14,270
psychotronics chapter Long Island

1383
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:15,589
chapter of the u.s. psychotronics

1384
01:02:21,309 --> 01:02:18,170
association would meet on the top floor

1385
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:21,319
of that building in Farmingdale and so I

1386
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:23,930
was you know hearing all this wild stuff

1387
01:02:27,130 --> 01:02:25,520
and I said wow is there a book I'd like

1388
01:02:30,579 --> 01:02:27,140
to read this book about Montauk no

1389
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:30,589
there's no book so about six months

1390
01:02:35,140 --> 01:02:33,440
later I signed a contract with Preston I

1391
01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:35,150
had to check this stuff out and I heard

1392
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:37,030
a lot of lectures met a lot of people

1393
01:02:44,049 --> 01:02:40,010
that had some involvement with it but al

1394
01:02:46,510 --> 01:02:44,059
Bielek was very special because as you

1395
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:46,520
say if you get 300 people following you

1396
01:02:54,940 --> 01:02:47,090
out

1397
01:02:56,980 --> 01:02:54,950
of lightning so yes lightning in a

1398
01:02:59,230 --> 01:02:56,990
bottle and he was a very interesting

1399
01:03:00,820 --> 01:02:59,240
speaker but he didn't know he was

1400
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:00,830
involved in them in the Philadelphia

1401
01:03:05,830 --> 01:03:03,890
Experiment until he kind of came upon

1402
01:03:08,860 --> 01:03:05,840
this conclusion independently because

1403
01:03:12,210 --> 01:03:08,870
Duncan and Preston had already realized

1404
01:03:14,740 --> 01:03:12,220
it and they realized that the alwys

1405
01:03:19,390 --> 01:03:14,750
Duncan's brother in this sort of

1406
01:03:23,980 --> 01:03:19,400
convoluted scenario and it's a very

1407
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:23,990
convoluted scenario but Peter we all

1408
01:03:30,660 --> 01:03:26,240
know pretty much about the Philadelphia

1409
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:30,670
Experiment how the this military vessel

1410
01:03:37,210 --> 01:03:33,730
teleported itself from the dock in

1411
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:37,220
Philadelphia to Norfolk Virginia and

1412
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:40,730
some of the sailors on board the vessel

1413
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:44,240
became invisible others got stuck in the

1414
01:03:48,730 --> 01:03:46,730
Hall of the the craft and it's sort of

1415
01:03:51,850 --> 01:03:48,740
like kind of fried as I understand it

1416
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:51,860
but a lot of people may not be familiar

1417
01:03:57,370 --> 01:03:55,610
with the the Montauk Project now I think

1418
01:03:59,650 --> 01:03:57,380
the first I heard about the Montauk

1419
01:04:04,140 --> 01:03:59,660
Project has something to do with a giant

1420
01:04:06,820 --> 01:04:04,150
12-foot monster roaming around well

1421
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:06,830
you you're the book you published the

1422
01:04:12,820 --> 01:04:08,330
Philadelphia Experiment and other UFO

1423
01:04:15,820 --> 01:04:12,830
conspiracies yes that book has a mention

1424
01:04:17,650 --> 01:04:15,830
of the Montauk Project in it it's it's

1425
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:17,660
it is that I think that's the first time

1426
01:04:22,030 --> 01:04:20,090
that the Montauk Project appears in

1427
01:04:25,390 --> 01:04:22,040
literature in that hook I bought that

1428
01:04:30,610 --> 01:04:25,400
book from Preston Nichols who had copies

1429
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:30,620
of it and that an important thing for me

1430
01:04:37,930 --> 01:04:33,050
to read as I was beginning to study this

1431
01:04:41,340 --> 01:04:37,940
so the Montauk Project was according to

1432
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:41,350
what Al and Duncan had figured out and

1433
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:43,850
trying to piece back their memories

1434
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:47,530
together was where they had landed after

1435
01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:50,210
jumping off the USS Eldridge in the

1436
01:04:55,030 --> 01:04:52,400
Philadelphia Experiment they jumped off

1437
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:55,040
the Eldridge knew not to stay on board

1438
01:04:59,450 --> 01:04:57,650
knew to not to hit the bulkhead itself

1439
01:05:01,880 --> 01:04:59,460
and jump overboard

1440
01:05:03,859 --> 01:05:01,890
and as is depicted in the movie of the

1441
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:03,869
same name the Philadelphia Experiment

1442
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:07,410
they landed someplace else and in the

1443
01:05:11,299 --> 01:05:09,119
case of where they actually landed

1444
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:11,309
according to what they recollected was

1445
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:14,130
Montauk New York and they were landing

1446
01:05:20,540 --> 01:05:17,280
in 1983 so that this this became yeah

1447
01:05:23,150 --> 01:05:20,550
very far out they were time was

1448
01:05:25,809 --> 01:05:23,160
rearranged and rearranging itself and

1449
01:05:29,059 --> 01:05:25,819
and the Montauk Project this is this

1450
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:29,069
introduction to the Montauk Project is

1451
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:31,050
actually from the Philadelphia

1452
01:05:36,290 --> 01:05:33,210
Experiment from the context we're

1453
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:36,300
talking it goes there jumping off this

1454
01:05:39,799 --> 01:05:38,130
ship and going to Montauk into the

1455
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:39,809
future so they're right there in time

1456
01:05:46,849 --> 01:05:42,319
because the Philadelphia Experiment is

1457
01:05:48,740 --> 01:05:46,859
sort of like a creating of its or its

1458
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:48,750
involved in a vortex which is spinning

1459
01:05:53,569 --> 01:05:50,970
around time like a big clock with all

1460
01:05:56,089 --> 01:05:53,579
this sort of random chaos and they

1461
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:56,099
emerged into that chaos they were really

1462
01:06:02,059 --> 01:05:59,760
in the time sea and everything was blown

1463
01:06:03,980 --> 01:06:02,069
open you talk about Pandora's Box this

1464
01:06:05,780 --> 01:06:03,990
is one introduction to the Philadelphia

1465
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:05,790
Experiment I mean to the Montauk Project

1466
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:08,160
and it's a rather exotic introduction

1467
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:12,480
because the typical introduction I give

1468
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:15,119
when I write the book with Preston is

1469
01:06:23,030 --> 01:06:17,010
that Preston was doing his own research

1470
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:23,040
in the timeline of 1980s and discovering

1471
01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:25,290
that there was strange signals emanating

1472
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:28,380
from Montauk Point New York from the the

1473
01:06:32,990 --> 01:06:31,410
radar transmitter out there so he did

1474
01:06:34,940 --> 01:06:33,000
that with radio direction-finding

1475
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:34,950
because he was having interference

1476
01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:37,440
showing up at his lab and he's died

1477
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:39,089
slept with the psychics he was working

1478
01:06:46,220 --> 01:06:41,010
with so he discovers the Montauk Project

1479
01:06:48,109 --> 01:06:46,230
through channel you know be but what

1480
01:06:50,690 --> 01:06:48,119
we're talking about here is channel a

1481
01:06:53,630 --> 01:06:50,700
with these the story of the Philadelphia

1482
01:06:57,859 --> 01:06:53,640
Experiment having a continuity and of

1483
01:07:00,020 --> 01:06:57,869
course the way as they say going through

1484
01:07:03,079 --> 01:07:00,030
channel B with Preston discovering the

1485
01:07:06,740 --> 01:07:03,089
Montauk Project doing readings on it a

1486
01:07:08,450 --> 01:07:06,750
guy named Brian was involved who was

1487
01:07:12,049 --> 01:07:08,460
doing readings and then Duncan comes

1488
01:07:14,779 --> 01:07:12,059
along and has sensitivities to it

1489
01:07:16,999 --> 01:07:14,789
they begin to discover more finding and

1490
01:07:18,620 --> 01:07:17,009
here are more stories they go to the

1491
01:07:21,620 --> 01:07:18,630
u.s. psychotronics association and

1492
01:07:23,569 --> 01:07:21,630
dayton no ha dayton ohio i think it was

1493
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:23,579
they also went to a preston went to a

1494
01:07:29,719 --> 01:07:27,930
meeting in chicago in 1986 where if you

1495
01:07:32,469 --> 01:07:29,729
remember you Ginny a macer story who's

1496
01:07:34,910 --> 01:07:32,479
passed away she literally witnessed

1497
01:07:36,979 --> 01:07:34,920
government agents or those people who

1498
01:07:38,479 --> 01:07:36,989
appeared to be government agents giving

1499
01:07:39,650 --> 01:07:38,489
Preston holy hell he says you're not

1500
01:07:40,819 --> 01:07:39,660
going to talk about this he says I am

1501
01:07:42,799 --> 01:07:40,829
going to talk about it and a big

1502
01:07:45,049 --> 01:07:42,809
screaming match and he went out and

1503
01:07:46,969 --> 01:07:45,059
announced the Montauk Project publicly

1504
01:07:52,539 --> 01:07:46,979
for the first time in US psychotronics

1505
01:07:56,929 --> 01:07:52,549
Association in Chicago 1986 so and how

1506
01:07:58,910 --> 01:07:56,939
was how was his talk received well III

1507
01:08:02,299 --> 01:07:58,920
did not hear the talk because I didn't

1508
01:08:04,189 --> 01:08:02,309
come around till 19 1990 but it was

1509
01:08:07,069 --> 01:08:04,199
obviously received with a lot of

1510
01:08:08,839 --> 01:08:07,079
interest and intrigue and he felt that

1511
01:08:12,289 --> 01:08:08,849
he needed to talk and talk publicly

1512
01:08:14,329 --> 01:08:12,299
about it because he said if I don't if

1513
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:14,339
he did that to keep himself alive

1514
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:17,759
because it would have been he felt that

1515
01:08:23,959 --> 01:08:20,250
he needed to make it public so that he

1516
01:08:27,649 --> 01:08:23,969
would not become a targeted enemy and

1517
01:08:31,129 --> 01:08:27,659
that that is why he he talked talked

1518
01:08:34,010 --> 01:08:31,139
about the story it was it circulated on

1519
01:08:36,410 --> 01:08:34,020
that network of the US psychotronics

1520
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:36,420
Association and on these they have these

1521
01:08:40,069 --> 01:08:38,369
Preparedness expose these various

1522
01:08:43,309 --> 01:08:40,079
conference in addition to the one that

1523
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:43,319
you hosted um this was going on from I

1524
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:48,210
guess the late 80s till about 1992 when

1525
01:08:53,149 --> 01:08:50,250
I had the book altogether I wrote it

1526
01:08:55,849 --> 01:08:53,159
during 1991 and the book was published

1527
01:08:59,629 --> 01:08:55,859
in May of 1992 we've been now in

1528
01:09:02,839 --> 01:08:59,639
business for 23 years as Skye books but

1529
01:09:03,559 --> 01:09:02,849
so I mean we saw how many books do you

1530
01:09:07,789 --> 01:09:03,569
have out now

1531
01:09:10,189 --> 01:09:07,799
all 20 book over 20 books that I

1532
01:09:13,999 --> 01:09:10,199
published and written most of them or

1533
01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:14,009
co-authored them yes so but I sound like

1534
01:09:18,079 --> 01:09:16,049
an old timer but I'm like I don't know

1535
01:09:21,229 --> 01:09:18,089
if I've been in the business half as

1536
01:09:23,209 --> 01:09:21,239
long as you have so well well probably

1537
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:23,219
probably well maybe not quite half as

1538
01:09:27,950 --> 01:09:25,890
long but you certainly you know you

1539
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:27,960
successful publisher I mean you maybe I

1540
01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:30,090
don't know if you have any accomplished

1541
01:09:34,610 --> 01:09:32,310
you're sold probably not millions yet

1542
01:09:36,590 --> 01:09:34,620
but you know how hard I mean I know you

1543
01:09:47,660 --> 01:09:36,600
know how hard it is to stay in business

1544
01:09:50,570 --> 01:09:47,670
as a publisher probably people in exited

1545
01:09:52,490 --> 01:09:50,580
quickly with their you know their pants

1546
01:09:54,740 --> 01:09:52,500
down to their ankles and and penniless

1547
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:54,750
it's well it's very difficult but as I

1548
01:09:57,440 --> 01:09:56,010
was saying I've generated millions of

1549
01:09:59,360 --> 01:09:57,450
dollars and that sounds very impressive

1550
01:10:02,930 --> 01:09:59,370
on the other hand when you divide up

1551
01:10:05,060 --> 01:10:02,940
millions of dollars into you know 23

1552
01:10:08,990 --> 01:10:05,070
years and and considering all the

1553
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:09,000
expenses I'm I've made a living and of

1554
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:12,210
course the the heyday of publishing was

1555
01:10:20,210 --> 01:10:16,320
in the yester years for for Playboy and

1556
01:10:21,710 --> 01:10:20,220
now well I think I was telling you today

1557
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:21,720
the only thing that I kind of liked

1558
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:25,290
about this you know books on demand you

1559
01:10:30,260 --> 01:10:27,120
don't have to carry around 50-pound

1560
01:10:31,550 --> 01:10:30,270
boxes of books because over the over the

1561
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:31,560
years I don't know how many boxes of

1562
01:10:37,010 --> 01:10:33,930
books that I carried and and my god I

1563
01:10:39,410 --> 01:10:37,020
you know like just the cartons and

1564
01:10:41,210 --> 01:10:39,420
cartons of cartons of books and then you

1565
01:10:43,190 --> 01:10:41,220
gotta find a place to store them and and

1566
01:10:43,850 --> 01:10:43,200
keep them so that they you know they

1567
01:10:46,370 --> 01:10:43,860
don't

1568
01:10:48,590 --> 01:10:46,380
it turned mildew Ani is it's a chore but

1569
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:48,600
it's well this is why people aren't

1570
01:10:51,980 --> 01:10:50,130
publishers this is why people aren't

1571
01:10:54,440 --> 01:10:51,990
publishers and and the e we have all our

1572
01:10:56,440 --> 01:10:54,450
books and eBooks down so yes it's a it's

1573
01:10:59,150 --> 01:10:56,450
a great great yes who are you gonna ask

1574
01:11:01,880 --> 01:10:59,160
well you know let's hear it a little bit

1575
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,890
more about Montauk I mean it's all the

1576
01:11:06,980 --> 01:11:03,840
way it's the furthest point on Long

1577
01:11:08,740 --> 01:11:06,990
Island it's about what three hours two

1578
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:08,750
and a half hours by train from the city

1579
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:12,000
and in fact we find from Manhattan in

1580
01:11:15,770 --> 01:11:13,710
three hours yes

1581
01:11:18,140 --> 01:11:15,780
okay and the Train only goes to think

1582
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:18,150
once a day except in the summertime but

1583
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:20,730
now tell us about the the military base

1584
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:22,110
there the sudden the ground-based that

1585
01:11:29,900 --> 01:11:25,520
you guys I guess revealed or discovered

1586
01:11:32,930 --> 01:11:29,910
well there's there is an Air Force

1587
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:32,940
Station it was known as the seven

1588
01:11:38,490 --> 01:11:35,370
seventy third radar school quadrant an

1589
01:11:41,580 --> 01:11:38,500
air force station as opposed to a base

1590
01:11:46,110 --> 01:11:41,590
and just basically housed this sage

1591
01:11:48,900 --> 01:11:46,120
radar which ran in 435 megahertz and

1592
01:11:52,980 --> 01:11:48,910
this was part of the the eastern shield

1593
01:11:57,500 --> 01:11:52,990
defense which was there to register

1594
01:11:59,700 --> 01:11:57,510
anything flying in the sky basically

1595
01:12:01,680 --> 01:11:59,710
aircraft from the Russians or other

1596
01:12:03,870 --> 01:12:01,690
foreign powers which could also pick up

1597
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:03,880
anything that might be unidentified and

1598
01:12:08,820 --> 01:12:06,970
there was a network of 13 of these

1599
01:12:10,740 --> 01:12:08,830
things around the United States and

1600
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:10,750
Montauk was one of the premier ones

1601
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:12,960
because of itself where it sat on the

1602
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:16,210
eastern end it was representative of the

1603
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:18,850
defense of the United States of America

1604
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:21,280
so and then of course they took all this

1605
01:12:27,530 --> 01:12:23,440
data and they stored it but note beneath

1606
01:12:31,740 --> 01:12:27,540
ground so there was a huge underground

1607
01:12:34,710 --> 01:12:31,750
to store and secure this data in case of

1608
01:12:38,010 --> 01:12:34,720
an atomic attack or anything they would

1609
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:38,020
have all this secure area down there and

1610
01:12:41,970 --> 01:12:40,030
there was a point when you could see a

1611
01:12:44,250 --> 01:12:41,980
huge ramp going underneath that

1612
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:44,260
transmitter building the blueprints of

1613
01:12:49,170 --> 01:12:47,530
camp hero are classified to this day by

1614
01:12:55,410 --> 01:12:49,180
the government they will not release the

1615
01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:55,420
blueprints so according to legends there

1616
01:13:00,440 --> 01:12:58,210
are deeper levels to the underground

1617
01:13:02,850 --> 01:13:00,450
than would be the ordinary military

1618
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:02,860
levels and some of these would be

1619
01:13:07,650 --> 01:13:05,770
ancient ancient stuff that would go into

1620
01:13:10,170 --> 01:13:07,660
the Inner Earth or be connected to the

1621
01:13:16,770 --> 01:13:10,180
ancient civilization of Atlantis but

1622
01:13:20,370 --> 01:13:16,780
just on a more tangible note in 1990 and

1623
01:13:22,380 --> 01:13:20,380
was 91 or 92 there was a they have a

1624
01:13:24,330 --> 01:13:22,390
parade at Saint during st. Patty's Day

1625
01:13:26,700 --> 01:13:24,340
it's the third biggest parade in New

1626
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:26,710
York State and Montauk and all these

1627
01:13:29,730 --> 01:13:27,970
guys get out there and show off their

1628
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:29,740
fire engines and it basically takes the

1629
01:13:33,870 --> 01:13:31,450
whole town's attention so there was a

1630
01:13:40,740 --> 01:13:33,880
group of guys that went out there in 91

1631
01:13:42,750 --> 01:13:40,750
or 92 and they recorded they went into

1632
01:13:44,940 --> 01:13:42,760
the bunker that's on the cliffs there's

1633
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:44,950
a bunker by the cliffs that used to be

1634
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:47,290
broken and you could walk into it or

1635
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:49,690
climb into it and there were railroad

1636
01:13:54,150 --> 01:13:52,090
tracks there that they were more like

1637
01:13:57,540 --> 01:13:54,160
tracts that you see from my mining

1638
01:14:01,560 --> 01:13:57,550
railroad tracks as opposed to a railroad

1639
01:14:04,350 --> 01:14:01,570
and these guys went through that and now

1640
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:04,360
they must have walked the better part of

1641
01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:06,370
a mile if not a mile to get all the way

1642
01:14:10,140 --> 01:14:08,350
to the transmitter building area which I

1643
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:10,150
believe is where they emerged and they

1644
01:14:15,450 --> 01:14:12,370
were taking videos and they were taking

1645
01:14:16,590 --> 01:14:15,460
videos and they were getting a lot of

1646
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:16,600
interference there was a lot of

1647
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:18,250
electromagnetic interference as they

1648
01:14:22,740 --> 01:14:20,290
were going there and it was it was all

1649
01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:22,750
pretty rugged now I saw these videos

1650
01:14:26,730 --> 01:14:24,220
because Preston showed them in a

1651
01:14:28,410 --> 01:14:26,740
psychotronics meeting once and one of

1652
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:28,420
the videos they honed in on was this

1653
01:14:33,810 --> 01:14:32,170
really bizarre configuration it was some

1654
01:14:36,900 --> 01:14:33,820
sort of radio receiver and it was all

1655
01:14:38,850 --> 01:14:36,910
wrapped around a crystal a big crystal

1656
01:14:42,420 --> 01:14:38,860
like you might see at a crystal in Rock

1657
01:14:44,030 --> 01:14:42,430
Show and I I really I asked him I said

1658
01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:44,040
I'd like to get those videos I'd like to

1659
01:14:48,450 --> 01:14:47,110
to get a excerpt of that you know and in

1660
01:14:50,850 --> 01:14:48,460
Preston didn't even know where it was

1661
01:14:55,230 --> 01:14:50,860
he's full of all probably a lot of data

1662
01:14:58,080 --> 01:14:55,240
like that in his in his house or the

1663
01:15:00,380 --> 01:14:58,090
houses that he has so then that was a an

1664
01:15:03,420 --> 01:15:00,390
actual one of the most interesting

1665
01:15:05,580 --> 01:15:03,430
aspects I saw of what would be the

1666
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:05,590
abandoned underground because that that

1667
01:15:10,530 --> 01:15:08,290
underground was demonstrating that you

1668
01:15:13,470 --> 01:15:10,540
could travel all the way from the bluffs

1669
01:15:16,830 --> 01:15:13,480
all the way to the base there according

1670
01:15:18,990 --> 01:15:16,840
to stories that I heard if you traveled

1671
01:15:21,660 --> 01:15:19,000
down one of those tunnels or some of

1672
01:15:24,090 --> 01:15:21,670
those tunnels you would get to a place

1673
01:15:27,630 --> 01:15:24,100
with a red light which actually had a

1674
01:15:30,030 --> 01:15:27,640
red light and if you could access that

1675
01:15:33,420 --> 01:15:30,040
door by knocking at it you could get

1676
01:15:34,980 --> 01:15:33,430
into the base of course the one thing

1677
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:34,990
when you knock on the door and somebody

1678
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:36,970
answers it you're probably in a lot of

1679
01:15:47,190 --> 01:15:42,610
trouble and yes and so there are stories

1680
01:15:49,770 --> 01:15:47,200
of there was also a story by a man who

1681
01:15:55,230 --> 01:15:49,780
serviced I think they were the called

1682
01:15:57,330 --> 01:15:55,240
the Amplatz their different equipment

1683
01:16:01,410 --> 01:15:57,340
they had down there but he he went and

1684
01:16:04,639 --> 01:16:01,420
went down in an elevator in what was an

1685
01:16:06,379 --> 01:16:04,649
area right next to a bunker

1686
01:16:07,850 --> 01:16:06,389
and of course he said it was in this

1687
01:16:10,399 --> 01:16:07,860
blue building and of course that blue

1688
01:16:12,919 --> 01:16:10,409
building disappeared it was torn down

1689
01:16:14,569 --> 01:16:12,929
and he said that there was a an elevator

1690
01:16:16,219 --> 01:16:14,579
he used to service stuff down there and

1691
01:16:17,719 --> 01:16:16,229
he never know what it was about he just

1692
01:16:19,609 --> 01:16:17,729
was told to go down there service these

1693
01:16:22,189 --> 01:16:19,619
things and come back up he had no

1694
01:16:25,629 --> 01:16:22,199
knowledge of the time stuff he later met

1695
01:16:29,330 --> 01:16:25,639
Preston and played a very instrumental

1696
01:16:33,159 --> 01:16:29,340
point with with the John Ford case that

1697
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:33,169
he was an advocate for John Ford him so

1698
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:37,050
via the Montauk Project of course this

1699
01:16:41,540 --> 01:16:39,090
is the base this is the camp hero base

1700
01:16:44,169 --> 01:16:41,550
with all sorts of it's it's very large

1701
01:16:47,060 --> 01:16:44,179
it's a mystery place

1702
01:16:48,319 --> 01:16:47,070
Preston very seriously used to say to me

1703
01:16:50,979 --> 01:16:48,329
when I was going out there and to

1704
01:16:53,330 --> 01:16:50,989
investigate just just to go look around

1705
01:16:55,489 --> 01:16:53,340
before because I am before I've been

1706
01:16:58,669 --> 01:16:55,499
there he said very emphatically says do

1707
01:17:01,459 --> 01:16:58,679
not go out there alone and do not go out

1708
01:17:03,799 --> 01:17:01,469
there at night take a friend with you

1709
01:17:05,989 --> 01:17:03,809
take a sensitive but he was emphatic

1710
01:17:08,290 --> 01:17:05,999
that I not go out there alone because he

1711
01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:08,300
says things happen to people out there

1712
01:17:15,319 --> 01:17:12,510
so it's a mysterious place and the

1713
01:17:16,759 --> 01:17:15,329
energy is a lot but are the bunkers do

1714
01:17:18,949 --> 01:17:16,769
people still go in there I mean I've

1715
01:17:21,020 --> 01:17:18,959
seen photographs of all what this looks

1716
01:17:23,779 --> 01:17:21,030
like torn apart equipment and and stuff

1717
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:23,789
I mean are there still entranceways well

1718
01:17:28,819 --> 01:17:26,010
there are they blocked up the entrance

1719
01:17:32,389 --> 01:17:28,829
ways and sometimes guys will hammer

1720
01:17:34,009 --> 01:17:32,399
through the entrance ways hammer they've

1721
01:17:35,299 --> 01:17:34,019
hammered into the transmitter building

1722
01:17:37,339 --> 01:17:35,309
at different times I haven't been out

1723
01:17:40,250 --> 01:17:37,349
there in a couple of years so I haven't

1724
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:40,260
seen it but people would hammer in and

1725
01:17:45,049 --> 01:17:42,570
if you went and I I went into those

1726
01:17:47,509 --> 01:17:45,059
areas before they were blocked up and

1727
01:17:50,509 --> 01:17:47,519
because they were accessible and you see

1728
01:17:53,810 --> 01:17:50,519
a lot of abandoned stuff but it really

1729
01:17:55,609 --> 01:17:53,820
wasn't I mean you might feel energy and

1730
01:17:57,770 --> 01:17:55,619
sensitives might feel energy but it's it

1731
01:18:00,529 --> 01:17:57,780
really wasn't anything other than an

1732
01:18:02,689 --> 01:18:00,539
abandoned military place unless you went

1733
01:18:04,549 --> 01:18:02,699
into one of the bunkers which they call

1734
01:18:07,069 --> 01:18:04,559
juniors bunker where the big monster you

1735
01:18:10,609 --> 01:18:07,079
talked about thus appeared in a

1736
01:18:14,209 --> 01:18:10,619
photograph those go weighty those go

1737
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:14,219
about several levels down and those have

1738
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:18,239
huge places where they used to store me

1739
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:23,130
and and this sort of thing so there is a

1740
01:18:28,100 --> 01:18:26,730
lot of space under there well what was

1741
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:28,110
maybe you could describe it a little bit

1742
01:18:33,500 --> 01:18:30,690
more detail what exactly it was the

1743
01:18:36,410 --> 01:18:33,510
montauk experiment it was a time-travel

1744
01:18:37,940 --> 01:18:36,420
project why and also what was its

1745
01:18:39,740 --> 01:18:37,950
connection with the Philadelphia

1746
01:18:41,780 --> 01:18:39,750
Experiment yes that's a good question

1747
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:41,790
well the Philadelphia Experiment and I

1748
01:18:48,770 --> 01:18:45,840
they sent the survivors to three

1749
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:48,780
different places as I understand and one

1750
01:18:52,130 --> 01:18:50,640
of the places one was Virginia and in

1751
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:52,140
Quantico Virginia and they sent the

1752
01:18:56,660 --> 01:18:54,090
others I don't remember the third one

1753
01:18:59,900 --> 01:18:56,670
but the the other one and then I think

1754
01:19:00,979 --> 01:18:59,910
the main study was done in Camp Upton

1755
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:00,989
which is Yaphank

1756
01:19:05,060 --> 01:19:03,360
which later became Brookhaven labs so

1757
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:05,070
they were studying these sailors to see

1758
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:06,890
what made the mad and they did a whole

1759
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:10,800
crazy when I say mad and they did a

1760
01:19:16,850 --> 01:19:12,719
whole human factor study on why these

1761
01:19:19,250 --> 01:19:16,860
guys were going out of their minds when

1762
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:19,260
they went out of this dimension so the

1763
01:19:23,590 --> 01:19:21,330
human factor study combined the Nazi

1764
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:23,600
data from the Mengele experience

1765
01:19:29,300 --> 01:19:27,210
experiments and they did a whole human

1766
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:29,310
factor study at Brookhaven labs which

1767
01:19:38,900 --> 01:19:36,000
was laced with MKULTRA type experiments

1768
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:38,910
and they basically figured out the mind

1769
01:19:44,410 --> 01:19:41,090
of man and put it on a computer and

1770
01:19:47,959 --> 01:19:44,420
eventually could control the mind of man

1771
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:47,969
experiment with it and interface it with

1772
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:50,370
a computer or with radio receivers and

1773
01:19:56,930 --> 01:19:52,489
then they took the experiment in about

1774
01:20:01,100 --> 01:19:56,940
the 1970s out to Montauk where they had

1775
01:20:02,900 --> 01:20:01,110
this big radar dish and the radar that

1776
01:20:05,450 --> 01:20:02,910
was now antiquated because they now had

1777
01:20:07,670 --> 01:20:05,460
over-the-horizon radar so so this radar

1778
01:20:09,860 --> 01:20:07,680
dish was an antique but they found out

1779
01:20:12,140 --> 01:20:09,870
that they could use it because this 435

1780
01:20:14,090 --> 01:20:12,150
megahertz was what they call the window

1781
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:14,100
frequency to the human consciousness it

1782
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:15,810
ran at the window frequency to the human

1783
01:20:23,540 --> 01:20:20,090
consciousness so if you would put a

1784
01:20:26,330 --> 01:20:23,550
individual and project his thoughts

1785
01:20:28,780 --> 01:20:26,340
connected to a computer connected to

1786
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:28,790
radio receivers out through this

1787
01:20:33,470 --> 01:20:31,290
transmitter and you could amp

1788
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:33,480
by what he was thinking in effect the

1789
01:20:39,980 --> 01:20:36,930
moods and feelings of people in the town

1790
01:20:41,450 --> 01:20:39,990
of Montauk the animals and this sort of

1791
01:20:44,450 --> 01:20:41,460
thing and there were a lot of reports of

1792
01:20:47,420 --> 01:20:44,460
deer going crazy we do have video

1793
01:20:50,630 --> 01:20:47,430
footage of birds going crazy out at

1794
01:20:52,460 --> 01:20:50,640
Montauk and that was in 1993 they were

1795
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:52,470
experimenting with radar out there the

1796
01:20:58,430 --> 01:20:56,090
cardia and radar company so that

1797
01:21:02,750 --> 01:20:58,440
eventually when you can manipulate that

1798
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:02,760
much mental energy it according to the

1799
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:04,320
the book and the story the Montauk

1800
01:21:08,420 --> 01:21:06,090
Project experiments in time which is

1801
01:21:13,010 --> 01:21:08,430
available at Sky Books usa.com

1802
01:21:16,010 --> 01:21:13,020
it's my website skybox usa.com is that

1803
01:21:18,380 --> 01:21:16,020
they were having time phenomena so they

1804
01:21:21,620 --> 01:21:18,390
would time would change or something

1805
01:21:24,710 --> 01:21:21,630
might appear out of time so they began

1806
01:21:27,140 --> 01:21:24,720
to experiment with time and begin to get

1807
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:27,150
good at manipulating it or good enough

1808
01:21:35,570 --> 01:21:31,440
to where they were according to the

1809
01:21:38,570 --> 01:21:35,580
stories they were opening up holes in

1810
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:38,580
time or vortexes and sending people back

1811
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:40,170
to them and this this is the more

1812
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:44,370
fanciful part of the story and it's it

1813
01:21:51,050 --> 01:21:48,810
goes into sort of a chaotic game or

1814
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:51,060
chaotic circumstances where you have all

1815
01:21:54,380 --> 01:21:52,320
these people doing all these crazy

1816
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:54,390
things it could be on this timeline or

1817
01:22:00,860 --> 01:21:57,090
that timeline and what we'd like to say

1818
01:22:05,090 --> 01:22:00,870
one thing though I once met a man at a

1819
01:22:07,130 --> 01:22:05,100
seminar up at the Omega Institute and he

1820
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:07,140
heard that I was there his name was

1821
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:09,360
Michael Kraft and he wanted to meet me

1822
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:14,370
so I met him and he was he had written a

1823
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:18,810
book called alien impact an alien impact

1824
01:22:26,780 --> 01:22:22,530
was a book that he part of it the book

1825
01:22:28,730 --> 01:22:26,790
included a lecture he had featured with

1826
01:22:31,970 --> 01:22:28,740
Preston Nichols and Duncan Cameron in

1827
01:22:33,980 --> 01:22:31,980
Arizona and when he put that chapter of

1828
01:22:36,410 --> 01:22:33,990
the book and this was published by I

1829
01:22:38,780 --> 01:22:36,420
think it was Doubleday it was a big

1830
01:22:40,910 --> 01:22:38,790
company like that they went nuts over

1831
01:22:42,859 --> 01:22:40,920
the chapter on Montauk it had all sorts

1832
01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:42,869
of stuff on aliens but they the editor

1833
01:22:47,839 --> 01:22:45,689
just went nuts on it he said and he had

1834
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:47,849
to change it and water it down and

1835
01:22:53,810 --> 01:22:50,159
change it so many times what he

1836
01:22:55,790 --> 01:22:53,820
described the Montauk Project as or what

1837
01:22:59,869 --> 01:22:55,800
Preston Nichols was bringing forth was a

1838
01:23:02,469 --> 01:22:59,879
sort of unified theory that explained

1839
01:23:05,239 --> 01:23:02,479
everything it was it was sort of

1840
01:23:09,109 --> 01:23:05,249
embracing the whole kit and caboodle of

1841
01:23:12,069 --> 01:23:09,119
what's going on and look at the Montauk

1842
01:23:15,049 --> 01:23:12,079
Project theories as advanced by Preston

1843
01:23:18,109 --> 01:23:15,059
aren't perfect but it offered a whole

1844
01:23:19,609 --> 01:23:18,119
new explanation and a whole new paradigm

1845
01:23:21,739 --> 01:23:19,619
of looking at things

1846
01:23:24,409 --> 01:23:21,749
as opposed to some of the old paradigms

1847
01:23:27,609 --> 01:23:24,419
so he really did offer us a new paradigm

1848
01:23:31,850 --> 01:23:27,619
and of course it's certainly been a

1849
01:23:35,569 --> 01:23:31,860
fascinating career for me and in trying

1850
01:23:38,119 --> 01:23:35,579
to talk about it and write about it and

1851
01:23:40,939 --> 01:23:38,129
understand it what now hasn't somebody

1852
01:23:42,109 --> 01:23:40,949
just put together a documentary or a

1853
01:23:45,169 --> 01:23:42,119
movie about this

1854
01:23:46,909 --> 01:23:45,179
well no no that's that's not accurate I

1855
01:23:49,790 --> 01:23:46,919
understand why you'd ask that question

1856
01:23:52,759 --> 01:23:49,800
but that feature you're talking about

1857
01:23:55,489 --> 01:23:52,769
does not include anything on time it

1858
01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:55,499
didn't he did not study any of any of I

1859
01:24:00,020 --> 01:23:57,449
worked on this for 20 years he didn't

1860
01:24:02,810 --> 01:24:00,030
study any of he of course he couldn't

1861
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:02,820
because he did not seek out permission

1862
01:24:11,899 --> 01:24:07,050
to use any of the Montauk Project

1863
01:24:12,979 --> 01:24:11,909
information so it's a it's not a it has

1864
01:24:16,669 --> 01:24:12,989
nothing to do with the Montauk Project

1865
01:24:19,069 --> 01:24:16,679
what he did do is he interviewed Preston

1866
01:24:21,500 --> 01:24:19,079
and some of the survivors and from what

1867
01:24:23,239 --> 01:24:21,510
I've heard it was a pretty bad job I did

1868
01:24:25,339 --> 01:24:23,249
I saw the first one I did not see the

1869
01:24:29,299 --> 01:24:25,349
second edition yeah I think there's a

1870
01:24:31,639 --> 01:24:29,309
yeah a newly edited version of it out

1871
01:24:33,580 --> 01:24:31,649
there now how about there are our

1872
01:24:39,319 --> 01:24:33,590
pyramids in Montauk

1873
01:24:41,899 --> 01:24:39,329
discovered those because when I went to

1874
01:24:43,790 --> 01:24:41,909
verify the Montauk Project and I

1875
01:24:46,549 --> 01:24:43,800
attempted to verify it through normal

1876
01:24:51,709 --> 01:24:46,559
journalistic means but I found that the

1877
01:24:54,020 --> 01:24:51,719
data trail was very cut short I mean

1878
01:24:55,580 --> 01:24:54,030
people cut it off and there was a lot of

1879
01:24:57,050 --> 01:24:55,590
reaction about it

1880
01:25:00,380 --> 01:24:57,060
so there was I didn't get any

1881
01:25:01,820 --> 01:25:00,390
cooperation from the press and it had

1882
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:01,830
been stonewalled so what I did have a

1883
01:25:05,930 --> 01:25:03,690
lot of experiences and coincidences or

1884
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:05,940
synchronicity which was a higher order

1885
01:25:11,330 --> 01:25:09,090
of experience and of course if you you

1886
01:25:13,070 --> 01:25:11,340
know that the the Morris Jessup story

1887
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:13,080
the man who first wrote about the

1888
01:25:16,540 --> 01:25:14,490
Philadelphia Experiment and he was

1889
01:25:19,310 --> 01:25:16,550
experiencing odd coincidences

1890
01:25:21,470 --> 01:25:19,320
unfortunately they got the better of him

1891
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:21,480
in the case of all these coincidences

1892
01:25:26,210 --> 01:25:24,330
that I chronicled and wrote about in the

1893
01:25:29,530 --> 01:25:26,220
book Montauk revisited adventures in

1894
01:25:31,700 --> 01:25:29,540
synchronicity at the end of that book I

1895
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:31,710
went to the library and I didn't mention

1896
01:25:36,380 --> 01:25:34,370
in that book but I discovered in a book

1897
01:25:38,510 --> 01:25:36,390
following this trail of coincidence was

1898
01:25:41,390 --> 01:25:38,520
a book that had the history of Long

1899
01:25:43,340 --> 01:25:41,400
Island by a man named Rufus Wilson and

1900
01:25:45,530 --> 01:25:43,350
it had a picture in there it said the

1901
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,540
pyramids Montauk I said what the hell is

1902
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:47,760
this it didn't give any explanation it

1903
01:25:53,390 --> 01:25:50,880
showed a picture of three pyramids with

1904
01:25:57,980 --> 01:25:53,400
a man standing by one of the pyramids

1905
01:25:59,900 --> 01:25:57,990
and the pyramids are probably about 20

1906
01:26:04,100 --> 01:25:59,910
feet tall or the one he's standing by

1907
01:26:06,650 --> 01:26:04,110
close to 20 feet tall and I went to the

1908
01:26:09,410 --> 01:26:06,660
librarian and she showed me some stuff

1909
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:09,420
that indicated that the ancient family

1910
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:11,970
of the Montauk Indians those were they

1911
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:13,290
with a royal tribe and they were known

1912
01:26:17,150 --> 01:26:15,570
as the Pharaohs and the Montauk Indians

1913
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:17,160
themselves told me that they did come

1914
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:19,920
from Egypt so these pyramids were

1915
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:22,290
probably as best I can tell washed away

1916
01:26:27,740 --> 01:26:25,530
in the 1938 hurricane and they were

1917
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:27,750
probably off the tip of Long Island

1918
01:26:33,860 --> 01:26:31,890
which is the Montauk point which has

1919
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:33,870
been eroding that point has been eroding

1920
01:26:40,190 --> 01:26:38,010
for for a century skinning what well you

1921
01:26:43,070 --> 01:26:40,200
know there there have been pyramids

1922
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:43,080
founding and quite a few countries in

1923
01:26:48,500 --> 01:26:45,450
fact we have a friend who lives in a

1924
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:48,510
China that we've had on the show Bruce

1925
01:26:56,030 --> 01:26:51,450
and he and his lady friend at the time

1926
01:26:58,280 --> 01:26:56,040
uncovered pyramids in Australia so there

1927
01:27:01,490 --> 01:26:58,290
are there are there is evidence of these

1928
01:27:03,140 --> 01:27:01,500
pyramid structures all over the the

1929
01:27:05,810 --> 01:27:03,150
planet I don't know if there are some

1930
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:05,820
kind of cosmic grid or they were used as

1931
01:27:09,260 --> 01:27:09,090
energy beacons but of course this is one

1932
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:09,270
of

1933
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:13,050
the the topics that the academia and the

1934
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:14,970
you know archeologists have tried to

1935
01:27:19,790 --> 01:27:18,090
cover up you know according to them you

1936
01:27:23,540 --> 01:27:19,800
know we can find pyramids in Egypt and

1937
01:27:25,820 --> 01:27:23,550
maybe in Mexico in Central America but

1938
01:27:28,910 --> 01:27:25,830
these other so-called pyramids are just

1939
01:27:31,130 --> 01:27:28,920
not the pyramids according to to them

1940
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:31,140
you know but you've been continuing your

1941
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:33,930
research into time oh I know one thing I

1942
01:27:39,050 --> 01:27:35,760
wanted to ask you

1943
01:27:41,780 --> 01:27:39,060
Carroll Rodriguez who's been my

1944
01:27:44,450 --> 01:27:41,790
associate for many years if she read a

1945
01:27:46,190 --> 01:27:44,460
book that you did about ons ons hat is

1946
01:27:47,900 --> 01:27:46,200
that what it's called yeah aunt at the

1947
01:27:50,420 --> 01:27:47,910
beginning at now I wrote the

1948
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:50,430
introduction to that and I'm listed as a

1949
01:27:56,900 --> 01:27:53,130
co-author that book was compiled and put

1950
01:27:59,900 --> 01:27:56,910
together by Joseph Matheny and aha

1951
01:28:01,730 --> 01:27:59,910
yeah and ons hat is of course an obscure

1952
01:28:04,430 --> 01:28:01,740
location in New Jersey there's an aunt

1953
01:28:08,810 --> 01:28:04,440
at road where there was a the scientists

1954
01:28:12,050 --> 01:28:08,820
at Princeton which it connected to the

1955
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:12,060
advanced what's it called Institute for

1956
01:28:15,860 --> 01:28:14,250
Advanced Studies where Einstein was and

1957
01:28:20,030 --> 01:28:15,870
that hatched the Philadelphia Experiment

1958
01:28:21,590 --> 01:28:20,040
out of that same area they used to go to

1959
01:28:24,190 --> 01:28:21,600
a hunt and fish club in a place called

1960
01:28:26,780 --> 01:28:24,200
ons hat New Jersey so there was a lot of

1961
01:28:29,150 --> 01:28:26,790
Pine Barrens right in the area where the

1962
01:28:33,380 --> 01:28:29,160
yeah Jersey Devil is supposed to lurk

1963
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:33,390
yes yes and there was a lot of stuff

1964
01:28:37,310 --> 01:28:35,520
that went on with the physicists that

1965
01:28:42,140 --> 01:28:37,320
were going down there and including John

1966
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:42,150
von Neumann so what eventually what

1967
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:45,170
happened there was there was a

1968
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:47,760
convergence of not only physicist from

1969
01:28:57,010 --> 01:28:52,320
Princeton but hippies and then there

1970
01:28:59,300 --> 01:28:57,020
were drugs involved tantric sex very

1971
01:29:02,030 --> 01:28:59,310
sounds like white I was like quite a

1972
01:29:04,700 --> 01:29:02,040
weekend this was sort of the most

1973
01:29:07,850 --> 01:29:04,710
psychedelic era what are we doing in the

1974
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:07,860
city exactly the post psychedelic era

1975
01:29:13,850 --> 01:29:11,760
and it also included Sufi ISM and an

1976
01:29:18,820 --> 01:29:13,860
element from the Moorish science temple

1977
01:29:22,679 --> 01:29:18,830
and this this so they were doing

1978
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:22,689
adventures in two parallel worlds

1979
01:29:29,699 --> 01:29:26,650
well Peter this this is a this is a TV

1980
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:29,709
series I mean this is just this is a TV

1981
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:32,650
this is doesn't belong just in the

1982
01:29:39,089 --> 01:29:34,570
beginning between the covers of a book

1983
01:29:41,459 --> 01:29:39,099
this is a TV series right I have to tell

1984
01:29:45,679 --> 01:29:41,469
you something about that it was out just

1985
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:45,689
the other day that Netflix has

1986
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:48,610
authorized a show called Montauk all

1987
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:50,530
about this stuff and I've actually

1988
01:29:58,229 --> 01:29:53,530
composing a letter to warn them about

1989
01:30:01,589 --> 01:29:58,239
copyright infringement and Brian Murphy

1990
01:30:03,569 --> 01:30:01,599
had already sold a Montauk series to Fox

1991
01:30:07,169 --> 01:30:03,579
I had to notify them with a certified

1992
01:30:09,239 --> 01:30:07,179
letter you're supposed to and that

1993
01:30:12,149 --> 01:30:09,249
series stop now Netflix is trying

1994
01:30:15,359 --> 01:30:12,159
something with regard to augs had Fox

1995
01:30:17,129 --> 01:30:15,369
had produced a cartoon called gala door

1996
01:30:21,049 --> 01:30:17,139
which took this thing and that had to be

1997
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:21,059
stopped so it's like they don't like to

1998
01:30:27,719 --> 01:30:24,880
go to the author and or the copyright

1999
01:30:31,259 --> 01:30:27,729
holders and say like we like to use your

2000
01:30:33,299 --> 01:30:31,269
material so yes you're right and and

2001
01:30:38,129 --> 01:30:33,309
this is that you're very right but this

2002
01:30:40,830 --> 01:30:38,139
is well it's I'm sure a lot of your

2003
01:30:44,219 --> 01:30:40,840
stuff either has been or could have been

2004
01:30:46,169 --> 01:30:44,229
used no stuff that you've published you

2005
01:30:48,659 --> 01:30:46,179
know hey forget if it gets through you

2006
01:30:52,219 --> 01:30:48,669
know the second the season or something

2007
01:30:54,929 --> 01:30:52,229
hey I I see an associate producer credit

2008
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:54,939
coming up but you you've been continuing

2009
01:30:59,330 --> 01:30:56,530
I mean you you haven't you haven't

2010
01:31:02,520 --> 01:30:59,340
stopped I mean like no matter what

2011
01:31:04,469 --> 01:31:02,530
obstacle might have been put in in your

2012
01:31:05,729 --> 01:31:04,479
you know in front of you and we're

2013
01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:05,739
talking about some pretty wild stuff

2014
01:31:10,350 --> 01:31:08,169
here I mean if there is a conspiracy of

2015
01:31:12,330 --> 01:31:10,360
silence everything that you have

2016
01:31:14,489 --> 01:31:12,340
discussed that printed would be an

2017
01:31:19,620 --> 01:31:14,499
element in that I know you've been going

2018
01:31:21,359 --> 01:31:19,630
over to Transylvania to there's some

2019
01:31:24,209 --> 01:31:21,369
people over there that you're doing some

2020
01:31:25,979 --> 01:31:24,219
time-travel research with well that's

2021
01:31:28,529 --> 01:31:25,989
correct and one of the most exciting

2022
01:31:31,139 --> 01:31:28,539
things that I well I was brought over to

2023
01:31:34,109 --> 01:31:31,149
Romania by dr. David Anderson and I know

2024
01:31:36,490 --> 01:31:34,119
you issued a book with some of his stuff

2025
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:36,500
in it at one point but

2026
01:31:44,020 --> 01:31:40,960
be he brought me over to Romania to

2027
01:31:46,030 --> 01:31:44,030
participate in a camp and I look he

2028
01:31:47,770 --> 01:31:46,040
tutored me in some time-travel concepts

2029
01:31:50,830 --> 01:31:47,780
which were very interesting but he's

2030
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:50,840
going to be doing a podcast with me in

2031
01:31:54,940 --> 01:31:52,850
about a month and this is we're gonna

2032
01:31:58,990 --> 01:31:54,950
get an update he has not come public

2033
01:32:00,280 --> 01:31:59,000
with anything in about five years so

2034
01:32:02,230 --> 01:32:00,290
he's gonna give me an update

2035
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:02,240
I'm on doing podcasts which are on my

2036
01:32:06,910 --> 01:32:04,730
website at digital Montauk comm or Peter

2037
01:32:09,010 --> 01:32:06,920
moon on iTunes you can find these

2038
01:32:11,740 --> 01:32:09,020
podcasts I've been releasing but I'm

2039
01:32:16,210 --> 01:32:11,750
gonna have him in about a month or six

2040
01:32:19,660 --> 01:32:16,220
weeks and so he is somebody who's doing

2041
01:32:22,060 --> 01:32:19,670
real live time experiments in New Mexico

2042
01:32:24,580 --> 01:32:22,070
he works with people across the world

2043
01:32:28,540 --> 01:32:24,590
this is all in the I guess what you call

2044
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:28,550
the secret sector but he said billions

2045
01:32:33,130 --> 01:32:31,010
upon billions of dollars are being put

2046
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:33,140
into this by different governments as a

2047
01:32:39,460 --> 01:32:37,730
weapon now there are also other projects

2048
01:32:41,050 --> 01:32:39,470
going on in Romania which I've written a

2049
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:41,060
whole series of book which is books

2050
01:32:45,550 --> 01:32:42,770
which I call the Transylvanian series

2051
01:32:48,310 --> 01:32:45,560
and the first one is called Transylvania

2052
01:32:53,140 --> 01:32:48,320
sunrise which is about a chamber beneath

2053
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:53,150
the Romanian Sphinx that has an archives

2054
01:32:57,400 --> 01:32:55,280
a holographic archives of the history of

2055
01:33:00,280 --> 01:32:57,410
the world with three tunnels going into

2056
01:33:01,990 --> 01:33:00,290
the Inner Earth and all sorts of modern

2057
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:02,000
technology that is actually quite

2058
01:33:06,070 --> 01:33:02,690
ancient

2059
01:33:08,860 --> 01:33:06,080
so Romania is some place I've gone to

2060
01:33:10,780 --> 01:33:08,870
eight times including the spiritual

2061
01:33:13,270 --> 01:33:10,790
capital of Transylvania which I've been

2062
01:33:15,580 --> 01:33:13,280
to at least five times Sarma says u2z

2063
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:15,590
this is an ancient sea because what an

2064
01:33:19,150 --> 01:33:17,090
interesting people don't realize that

2065
01:33:21,580 --> 01:33:19,160
but when they talk about Hyperborea this

2066
01:33:26,020 --> 01:33:21,590
is the Hyperborea is supposed to be the

2067
01:33:29,620 --> 01:33:26,030
ancient city that truly was the capital

2068
01:33:31,180 --> 01:33:29,630
of the and of Hyperborea but Hyperborean

2069
01:33:32,950 --> 01:33:31,190
was a land that Greeks referred to that

2070
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:32,960
which is of the north or beyond the

2071
01:33:37,900 --> 01:33:35,120
north wind well if you go in north from

2072
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:37,910
Greece you'll go right into Bulgaria and

2073
01:33:42,550 --> 01:33:40,970
from Bulgaria you'll go into Romania and

2074
01:33:45,090 --> 01:33:42,560
then you'll go to the Carpathians and

2075
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:45,100
the Carpathians where it's above the

2076
01:33:49,449 --> 01:33:47,930
Carpathians is Transylvania and that

2077
01:33:53,529 --> 01:33:49,459
area was pocketed

2078
01:33:57,549 --> 01:33:53,539
the ice age and it retained its relative

2079
01:34:02,069 --> 01:33:57,559
warmth and survivability so it was the

2080
01:34:05,739 --> 01:34:02,079
original civilization geologically and

2081
01:34:09,129 --> 01:34:05,749
ethnically so you also have caves by the

2082
01:34:11,529 --> 01:34:09,139
bucketload in Transylvania so it's 55

2083
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:11,539
degrees below when you get underneath

2084
01:34:16,149 --> 01:34:14,090
there's water under there and there's

2085
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:16,159
you can survive in those caves during an

2086
01:34:20,979 --> 01:34:19,610
Ice Age so this is these are some of the

2087
01:34:23,919 --> 01:34:20,989
things I've learned there and the

2088
01:34:26,049 --> 01:34:23,929
spiritual tradition all gets side railed

2089
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:26,059
or sidetracked by the Dracula story when

2090
01:34:30,699 --> 01:34:28,010
people hear of Romania Transylvania

2091
01:34:34,410 --> 01:34:30,709
they they gravitate to Dracula like

2092
01:34:37,330 --> 01:34:34,420
moths to a flame and I'd not spent any

2093
01:34:39,129 --> 01:34:37,340
significant time doing anything with

2094
01:34:42,250 --> 01:34:39,139
Dracula when I've been over there I've

2095
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:42,260
been searching their ancient spiritual

2096
01:34:47,799 --> 01:34:44,650
heritage which is quite interesting

2097
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:47,809
don't have time have you been to any of

2098
01:34:56,529 --> 01:34:51,530
these caves yourself yes I've been in

2099
01:34:59,350 --> 01:34:56,539
caves in if you go from the Sphinx and

2100
01:35:02,890 --> 01:34:59,360
you go what would that be I think it

2101
01:35:04,899 --> 01:35:02,900
would be west yet my directions confused

2102
01:35:06,910 --> 01:35:04,909
over there I've been to a cave several

2103
01:35:09,879 --> 01:35:06,920
times the yellow meet the cave or what a

2104
01:35:12,699 --> 01:35:09,889
beautiful cave you can go deep deep deep

2105
01:35:15,729 --> 01:35:12,709
deep deep and and it feel like you've

2106
01:35:17,229 --> 01:35:15,739
walked a half a mile or so into that

2107
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:17,239
cave sometimes you have to get down and

2108
01:35:25,419 --> 01:35:21,010
crawl there's lights there's uh there's

2109
01:35:26,890 --> 01:35:25,429
railings & stairs that you can go but

2110
01:35:28,569 --> 01:35:26,900
when you get to the very end and there's

2111
01:35:33,399 --> 01:35:28,579
a waterfall you can kind of go off and

2112
01:35:35,049 --> 01:35:33,409
it's just beautiful and it's oh man I've

2113
01:35:36,879 --> 01:35:35,059
never seen a cave like this in my life

2114
01:35:39,339 --> 01:35:36,889
I've never been to the Carlsbad once

2115
01:35:41,549 --> 01:35:39,349
though so I can't compare but I'm going

2116
01:35:44,709 --> 01:35:41,559
and when you get to the very very end

2117
01:35:48,339 --> 01:35:44,719
it's just open and you can you could

2118
01:35:50,709 --> 01:35:48,349
keep going but you would need equipment

2119
01:35:53,890 --> 01:35:50,719
so I talked to a guy who went 80 yards

2120
01:35:55,779 --> 01:35:53,900
beyond he said that he had boots and he

2121
01:35:57,879 --> 01:35:55,789
had a flashlight and he had boards and

2122
01:36:01,540 --> 01:35:57,889
he went 80 guards beyond which the

2123
01:36:02,770 --> 01:36:01,550
public either is allowed to go or will

2124
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:02,780
same ly go because there's no

2125
01:36:07,060 --> 01:36:04,730
there to stop you if you go but it's

2126
01:36:08,860 --> 01:36:07,070
pure dark and he said you'd go about 80

2127
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:08,870
yards and then it just cuts off and then

2128
01:36:12,250 --> 01:36:09,890
in other word you'd have to have

2129
01:36:14,830 --> 01:36:12,260
spelunking equipment so this basically

2130
01:36:16,210 --> 01:36:14,840
would be a cave that you'd see like in

2131
01:36:18,580 --> 01:36:16,220
that movie Journey to the Center of the

2132
01:36:20,410 --> 01:36:18,590
Earth it just goes on and on and on and

2133
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:20,420
this is one of many caves I've been to

2134
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:24,650
that cave I've been to a cave where they

2135
01:36:29,770 --> 01:36:27,920
kill uh churches ku the dictator created

2136
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:29,780
a road to this cave where they they get

2137
01:36:35,650 --> 01:36:31,930
bat guano they used to get back 104

2138
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:35,660
bombs making bombs that cave was

2139
01:36:40,270 --> 01:36:38,000
magnificent I couldn't go into it too

2140
01:36:42,580 --> 01:36:40,280
far because the amount of time we had

2141
01:36:45,460 --> 01:36:42,590
but that one goes it intersects with

2142
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:45,470
seven other caves that's in the the

2143
01:36:51,100 --> 01:36:48,650
hills of Transylvania and I've been to

2144
01:36:53,170 --> 01:36:51,110
another cave in Transylvania where I

2145
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:53,180
wasn't able to go in it you just they'll

2146
01:36:58,540 --> 01:36:56,090
take you according to the tradition you

2147
01:37:00,250 --> 01:36:58,550
will see the the Shepherds or the sheep

2148
01:37:02,770 --> 01:37:00,260
the sheep will sometimes turn into

2149
01:37:04,180 --> 01:37:02,780
Shepherds or the Shepherd's will turn

2150
01:37:08,110 --> 01:37:04,190
into sheep and they are really a

2151
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:08,120
character called a spiritual character

2152
01:37:12,370 --> 01:37:10,130
called the soul of Inari of which the

2153
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:12,380
name Solomon is named after the Suliman

2154
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:16,250
re are the indigenous wizards so to

2155
01:37:21,310 --> 01:37:19,520
speak of that area and the people they

2156
01:37:23,890 --> 01:37:21,320
will take you to a cave and put you in

2157
01:37:25,870 --> 01:37:23,900
front of it and you meditate in front of

2158
01:37:27,940 --> 01:37:25,880
it and of course in this particular cave

2159
01:37:30,340 --> 01:37:27,950
we're told there's a throne you go

2160
01:37:32,170 --> 01:37:30,350
across a little river in the water but

2161
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:32,180
you'd have to go down 50 yards on a rope

2162
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:33,890
well I was with a group of people you

2163
01:37:37,990 --> 01:37:36,410
can't do that come come again you have

2164
01:37:40,270 --> 01:37:38,000
to go down how many yards on the roof

2165
01:37:47,740 --> 01:37:40,280
fifty fifty feet I said fifty yards 50

2166
01:37:49,690 --> 01:37:47,750
feet on a new ya I'm God I take a drone

2167
01:37:51,970 --> 01:37:49,700
down there in fact when I was at the bat

2168
01:37:53,860 --> 01:37:51,980
guano cave I forget the name of it I was

2169
01:37:57,100 --> 01:37:53,870
being taken there by a man who's done

2170
01:37:59,410 --> 01:37:57,110
he's probably the most than the most

2171
01:38:01,540 --> 01:37:59,420
extensive history of this area and he

2172
01:38:05,260 --> 01:38:01,550
was showing us around very graciously

2173
01:38:07,390 --> 01:38:05,270
and he takes me higher or he he bought a

2174
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:07,400
drone and he flies it all around this

2175
01:38:11,110 --> 01:38:08,930
area in Transylvania was full of

2176
01:38:12,730 --> 01:38:11,120
mountains he surveyed the whole area

2177
01:38:14,650 --> 01:38:12,740
with with a drone that he purchased for

2178
01:38:15,950 --> 01:38:14,660
about a thousand bucks and I said to him

2179
01:38:19,370 --> 01:38:15,960
have you ever taken the drones and

2180
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:19,380
the cave he goes no I go why not he says

2181
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:21,810
I didn't think of it so I'm hoping that

2182
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:23,489
he'll take some of his send some drones

2183
01:38:27,590 --> 01:38:26,850
into the caves well that's that's an

2184
01:38:30,860 --> 01:38:27,600
excellent idea

2185
01:38:34,550 --> 01:38:30,870
yeah yeah with all this talk of time

2186
01:38:38,330 --> 01:38:34,560
travel what what have you learned about

2187
01:38:40,900 --> 01:38:38,340
the future oh that's a very good

2188
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:44,690
okay I asked David Anderson that when I

2189
01:38:49,220 --> 01:38:46,800
was last with him in Montauk

2190
01:38:53,780 --> 01:38:49,230
when he showed us a video of his time

2191
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:53,790
reactor and a bunch of us and he I said

2192
01:38:57,979 --> 01:38:54,930
what can you tell us about the future

2193
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:57,989
David and he says it's uncertain and I

2194
01:39:01,910 --> 01:39:00,719
heard him reiterate that on a tape I was

2195
01:39:05,630 --> 01:39:01,920
listening to him the other day Jesus

2196
01:39:11,180 --> 01:39:05,640
it's uncertain I guess it's it's always

2197
01:39:15,020 --> 01:39:11,190
up in the air I think how far in the

2198
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:15,030
future are we talking about well he said

2199
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:20,010
on on an interview in 2010 that it was a

2200
01:39:25,420 --> 01:39:22,410
very short time before they could take

2201
01:39:28,130 --> 01:39:25,430
go back and see what was happening

2202
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:28,140
you know 2000 years ago he's very oh

2203
01:39:34,850 --> 01:39:30,719
yeah that's just touched that can be

2204
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:34,860
done now what he's always says that what

2205
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:36,930
he can tell you or what the government

2206
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:40,170
tells you is 20 years behind what what's

2207
01:39:43,959 --> 01:39:42,480
really going on so I'm hoping in this

2208
01:39:48,050 --> 01:39:43,969
podcast that he will tell us something

2209
01:39:50,090 --> 01:39:48,060
of certain of some something of that

2210
01:39:53,209 --> 01:39:50,100
order I can't predict that he will

2211
01:39:55,250 --> 01:39:53,219
and again it's uncertain because what we

2212
01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:55,260
do here and now could change everything

2213
01:39:59,120 --> 01:39:57,360
he says that about time travel he says

2214
01:40:02,450 --> 01:39:59,130
if you go back and change something like

2215
01:40:05,300 --> 01:40:02,460
if you go back and kill a plant that was

2216
01:40:08,030 --> 01:40:05,310
the grandfather of plants that are in

2217
01:40:09,530 --> 01:40:08,040
the future you go back and kill that

2218
01:40:11,620 --> 01:40:09,540
plant when you come back to the future

2219
01:40:13,550 --> 01:40:11,630
those plants will have different DNA

2220
01:40:16,459 --> 01:40:13,560
they'll still be there but they'll have

2221
01:40:19,190 --> 01:40:16,469
different DNA I would I would think that

2222
01:40:21,890 --> 01:40:19,200
any kind of time travel no matter what

2223
01:40:26,450 --> 01:40:21,900
you do when you go into the past is

2224
01:40:28,089 --> 01:40:26,460
going to change the future I mean what

2225
01:40:30,250 --> 01:40:28,099
about the whole

2226
01:40:33,129 --> 01:40:30,260
- what I can't remember what they call

2227
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:33,139
it now like the the effect where the

2228
01:40:37,959 --> 01:40:35,449
timelines actually start branching out

2229
01:40:40,899 --> 01:40:37,969
and that you could a time traveler could

2230
01:40:43,359 --> 01:40:40,909
really never come back to the present

2231
01:40:45,850 --> 01:40:43,369
that he originated from because just the

2232
01:40:49,209 --> 01:40:45,860
sheer fact that he time traveled to the

2233
01:40:51,279 --> 01:40:49,219
past changes that changes the future or

2234
01:40:53,529 --> 01:40:51,289
his present that's a big concern of

2235
01:40:56,740 --> 01:40:53,539
David Anderson's but I would also refer

2236
01:40:58,839 --> 01:40:56,750
back to you the character of the

2237
01:41:02,890 --> 01:40:58,849
assassins Hasan Sabah who had a great

2238
01:41:04,270 --> 01:41:02,900
line he said everything is permitted in

2239
01:41:06,129 --> 01:41:04,280
other words that's all quantum

2240
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:06,139
possibilities so what you just said is

2241
01:41:10,810 --> 01:41:08,239
true and I think there's a lot of

2242
01:41:13,540 --> 01:41:10,820
scenarios that could happen that David

2243
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:13,550
Andersen is technology and what he's

2244
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:15,050
experienced I think there's a whole

2245
01:41:17,979 --> 01:41:16,400
bunch of stuff that could supersede

2246
01:41:20,529 --> 01:41:17,989
everything he's talking about only

2247
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:20,539
because the possibilities are unlimited

2248
01:41:25,209 --> 01:41:23,210
and he's doing research in a particular

2249
01:41:26,830 --> 01:41:25,219
vein and a particular venue in

2250
01:41:28,990 --> 01:41:26,840
particular scenario I'm not minimizing

2251
01:41:31,390 --> 01:41:29,000
what he's done because he is the the

2252
01:41:33,209 --> 01:41:31,400
forward Vanguard that's gonna tell the

2253
01:41:36,370 --> 01:41:33,219
public stuff about it scientifically

2254
01:41:40,359 --> 01:41:36,380
with with a high degree of credibility

2255
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:40,369
so it's like but I think that if he's

2256
01:41:43,689 --> 01:41:41,570
studying this stuff and I'm gonna ask

2257
01:41:45,399 --> 01:41:43,699
him about that if you're experiencing

2258
01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:45,409
studying time you're gonna meet bigger

2259
01:41:48,669 --> 01:41:47,360
fish that are also studying time it's

2260
01:41:51,370 --> 01:41:48,679
like he's not the first one in history

2261
01:41:57,009 --> 01:41:51,380
the universe to do time travel it seems

2262
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:57,019
like he is but he's not but well that's

2263
01:42:01,930 --> 01:41:58,880
that's like a cartoon that I saw not too

2264
01:42:04,839 --> 01:42:01,940
long ago that it said that the reason

2265
01:42:07,330 --> 01:42:04,849
the Titanic sank was because it was

2266
01:42:10,620 --> 01:42:07,340
overloaded with time travelers who came

2267
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:10,630
back to find out why the Titanic sank

2268
01:42:15,759 --> 01:42:14,090
that's very interesting idea yes because

2269
01:42:17,939 --> 01:42:15,769
you get it kids top-heavy it's like

2270
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:17,949
there's it's like too many people

2271
01:42:29,259 --> 01:42:20,719
staring at a celebrity he begins to hate

2272
01:42:33,930 --> 01:42:29,269
people so are we to assume that UFOs are

2273
01:42:37,540 --> 01:42:33,940
the product of this the time travel I

2274
01:42:39,459 --> 01:42:37,550
don't know I I'm the most interesting

2275
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:39,469
thing I ever read about a UFO was

2276
01:42:42,970 --> 01:42:41,330
preston nichols when he did this book

2277
01:42:45,010 --> 01:42:42,980
with me encounter in the pleiades and

2278
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:45,020
inside looking UFOs and he described

2279
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:48,010
going aboard a UFO and this was in his

2280
01:42:52,810 --> 01:42:51,170
semi i don't know what to call that

2281
01:42:54,610 --> 01:42:52,820
state he was in do but he was taken to

2282
01:42:56,260 --> 01:42:54,620
the Pleiades and whatnot but he would he

2283
01:42:57,910 --> 01:42:56,270
found himself on a craft when he got on

2284
01:43:00,850 --> 01:42:57,920
the craft that went on it went on

2285
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:00,860
infinitely so it was like in a space of

2286
01:43:05,979 --> 01:43:03,890
its own you think so the the this the

2287
01:43:08,860 --> 01:43:05,989
craft itself and that and the way he

2288
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:08,870
described the craft is that the operator

2289
01:43:14,380 --> 01:43:12,170
was sort of like Duncan Cameron in in

2290
01:43:18,689 --> 01:43:14,390
the so-called Montauk chair at Montauk

2291
01:43:22,630 --> 01:43:18,699
where he was subjected to all these

2292
01:43:24,610 --> 01:43:22,640
experiences of you know controlling and

2293
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:24,620
directing reality where the UFO pilot

2294
01:43:32,500 --> 01:43:29,810
was having an experience where he's

2295
01:43:34,780 --> 01:43:32,510
interfacing with reality sort of like in

2296
01:43:37,660 --> 01:43:34,790
the movie dune a little bit like that

2297
01:43:39,970 --> 01:43:37,670
were those those guys navigated space

2298
01:43:43,630 --> 01:43:39,980
and time they looked like weird fish or

2299
01:43:47,229 --> 01:43:43,640
something like moray eels but yeah so

2300
01:43:48,820 --> 01:43:47,239
the UFO I mean these things I mean

2301
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:48,830
there's so many different stories we

2302
01:43:56,010 --> 01:43:51,170
hear of UFOs from the Nazi UFOs to the

2303
01:43:59,860 --> 01:43:56,020
alien UFOs to the area 51 UFOs I think

2304
01:44:03,040 --> 01:43:59,870
UFOs represent I think they appear when

2305
01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:03,050
we reach a level that we either cannot

2306
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:05,440
understand or cannot penetrate fully

2307
01:44:10,780 --> 01:44:08,210
there is a there is a UFO for every

2308
01:44:13,990 --> 01:44:10,790
occasion well now I also know though

2309
01:44:16,530 --> 01:44:14,000
that there is a there is a Nazi

2310
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:16,540
connection to this I mean you've done a

2311
01:44:22,959 --> 01:44:21,290
book on the Black Sun and and I mean do

2312
01:44:26,110 --> 01:44:22,969
you think that a lot of this phenomena

2313
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:26,120
is attributable to the Nazi scientists

2314
01:44:32,830 --> 01:44:31,130
and engineers well I mean a lot of it

2315
01:44:35,110 --> 01:44:32,840
certainly there's I mean there were

2316
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:35,120
Nazis all over New Mexico when Roswell

2317
01:44:40,959 --> 01:44:38,570
happened there were there were the

2318
01:44:44,170 --> 01:44:40,969
flying craft the honey blue craft that

2319
01:44:46,450 --> 01:44:44,180
that has been so well even documented by

2320
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:46,460
mainstream researchers have had to admit

2321
01:44:50,650 --> 01:44:48,890
to the flying craft of the Nazis and

2322
01:44:51,930 --> 01:44:50,660
that they were far more extensive than

2323
01:44:54,630 --> 01:44:51,940
has ever been

2324
01:44:56,700 --> 01:44:54,640
admitted it seems like there's been a

2325
01:45:00,570 --> 01:44:56,710
lot of UFO projects by a lot of

2326
01:45:02,430 --> 01:45:00,580
different units of various different

2327
01:45:04,740 --> 01:45:02,440
governments so it's and then are they

2328
01:45:07,820 --> 01:45:04,750
masking as aliens or the aliens masking

2329
01:45:13,260 --> 01:45:07,830
is them vice-versa etc it's all very

2330
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:13,270
complex and it's as you say it's it's

2331
01:45:17,910 --> 01:45:15,850
not easy all you can do yes

2332
01:45:20,220 --> 01:45:17,920
anybody anybody who thinks that the

2333
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:20,230
president is going to go on the six

2334
01:45:28,050 --> 01:45:24,130
o'clock news and disclose all of this it

2335
01:45:29,940 --> 01:45:28,060
would take him months to to it you know

2336
01:45:31,290 --> 01:45:29,950
you know hey we say well if I was the

2337
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:31,300
president and somebody asked me about

2338
01:45:36,750 --> 01:45:33,520
this you know when I tell them gotten by

2339
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:36,760
a few books and you didn't you decide

2340
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:39,010
you know just like people probably I

2341
01:45:44,220 --> 01:45:40,930
mean I'm sure people some people in the

2342
01:45:46,350 --> 01:45:44,230
government have some you know idea about

2343
01:45:49,770 --> 01:45:46,360
what's going on but they have different

2344
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:49,780
points of view to you know that's the

2345
01:45:53,850 --> 01:45:51,520
best way go out and buy a couple of

2346
01:45:57,710 --> 01:45:53,860
books buy books from Tim Beckley buy

2347
01:46:00,780 --> 01:45:57,720
books from Peter Moon and you know

2348
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:00,790
decide kind of decide for yourself now

2349
01:46:04,530 --> 01:46:03,370
Peter I noticed one of the other things

2350
01:46:06,660 --> 01:46:04,540
that you say about your own publishing

2351
01:46:10,650 --> 01:46:06,670
company yeah it's an interesting blend

2352
01:46:12,420 --> 01:46:10,660
of science magic and synchronicity sky

2353
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:12,430
books is where science fiction meets

2354
01:46:18,660 --> 01:46:17,650
reality how much of this do you do you

2355
01:46:22,700 --> 01:46:18,670
believe yourself

2356
01:46:26,970 --> 01:46:22,710
well you know as I say my belief is is

2357
01:46:29,580 --> 01:46:26,980
irrelevant it was when I wrote the

2358
01:46:31,860 --> 01:46:29,590
Montauk Project it was I look at it as

2359
01:46:34,440 --> 01:46:31,870
data and it was intriguing data and it's

2360
01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:34,450
of course data that you cannot I can

2361
01:46:40,860 --> 01:46:37,360
either dismiss nor completely reconcile

2362
01:46:44,820 --> 01:46:40,870
I'm very good at reconciling data but

2363
01:46:46,650 --> 01:46:44,830
some of it cannot be reconciled but so

2364
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:46,660
you just have to leave it as data and

2365
01:46:53,220 --> 01:46:51,010
evaluate it as data so some of it there

2366
01:46:55,350 --> 01:46:53,230
are certain things that like I know

2367
01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:55,360
there was a Montauk Project I definitely

2368
01:46:59,060 --> 01:46:57,130
know that because I've met people who

2369
01:47:01,950 --> 01:46:59,070
were involved or seeing too many things

2370
01:47:05,060 --> 01:47:01,960
and have too much evidence what the

2371
01:47:07,570 --> 01:47:05,070
project entailed I can't say because

2372
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:07,580
it's we don't have full disclosure of it

2373
01:47:14,510 --> 01:47:10,530
but I would most definitely say it had

2374
01:47:16,250 --> 01:47:14,520
something to do with time but to how

2375
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:16,260
extensive where there all those stories

2376
01:47:18,850 --> 01:47:17,730
that Preston tells in the book or

2377
01:47:23,780 --> 01:47:18,860
accurate or not

2378
01:47:25,610 --> 01:47:23,790
III don't know I can't say so it's it's

2379
01:47:27,590 --> 01:47:25,620
tough but it's I think it's definitely

2380
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:27,600
for me it's been worth investigating and

2381
01:47:35,660 --> 01:47:30,890
it's in certainly expanded my horizons

2382
01:47:39,500 --> 01:47:35,670
and it's offered me many gifts and I've

2383
01:47:42,380 --> 01:47:39,510
enjoyed it as well where where does

2384
01:47:45,230 --> 01:47:42,390
Peter moon go now what's what's on the

2385
01:47:48,430 --> 01:47:45,240
docket next how many how many years in

2386
01:47:53,930 --> 01:47:48,440
the future do you plan to be doing this

2387
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well Peter moons heart is in the in the

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when he met the medicine man at the

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Montauk Pharaohs he was directed to a

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chi gong teacher in Brooklyn

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Roosevelt Gainey who had been studying

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with for eight years now so I'm like

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that's where my heart is and I want to

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because that that is about life

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01:48:14,330 --> 01:48:11,610
extension it's about health Wow it's

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it's really that's really neat but I at

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the same time I can't abandon my very

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intriguing line of research and I think

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01:48:24,890 --> 01:48:22,680
that David Anderson is going to come

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forth with some information in the

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01:48:34,460 --> 01:48:29,490
coming months that's going to cause me

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01:48:35,930 --> 01:48:34,470
to write about some of the things that

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01:48:37,370 --> 01:48:35,940
he's involved in I don't know that

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01:48:40,370 --> 01:48:37,380
there's David Anderson there's also the

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01:48:42,170 --> 01:48:40,380
Romanian space-time projects which I've

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01:48:43,940 --> 01:48:42,180
written about I've done five books on

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01:48:46,610 --> 01:48:43,950
those I don't know if they're gonna

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01:48:49,130 --> 01:48:46,620
flare up I have all these areas in my

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01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:49,140
life that can you know that got done so

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01:48:51,890 --> 01:48:50,370
many things that I don't know what's

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01:48:54,140 --> 01:48:51,900
gonna you know things are on the back

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01:48:56,330 --> 01:48:54,150
burner but they can they can pop up

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01:48:58,960 --> 01:48:56,340
right now right now I've been working on

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01:49:02,060 --> 01:48:58,970
a book which I'm very delayed on called

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01:49:04,670 --> 01:49:02,070
Stardust and initiation into time which

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01:49:07,220 --> 01:49:04,680
sort of goes into the whole it's sort of

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I'm writing it so people can be prepared

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01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:09,600
to deal with the subject of time as an

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01:49:13,940 --> 01:49:11,730
initiation if we really start learning

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01:49:15,050 --> 01:49:13,950
about time travel and David Anderson

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01:49:16,060 --> 01:49:15,060
comes forth and how are we going to

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01:49:18,220 --> 01:49:16,070
relate to all this tech

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01:49:20,169 --> 01:49:18,230
Algie are little kids that can now

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01:49:23,169 --> 01:49:20,179
operate cell phones before they're even

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01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:23,179
a year old and they're gonna wear the

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01:49:26,830 --> 01:49:24,800
new kids 20 years from now are they

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01:49:29,770 --> 01:49:26,840
going to understand time like they did

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01:49:31,390 --> 01:49:29,780
in Scotty beaming up on Star Trek so

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01:49:33,850 --> 01:49:31,400
that the kids are going to come and and

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01:49:35,830 --> 01:49:33,860
us people of our generation are just

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01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:35,840
gonna be like oh well who needs us

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01:49:41,470 --> 01:49:38,570
anymore so the new blank you know I I

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01:49:44,109 --> 01:49:41,480
hate I hate to say this and it does seem

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01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:44,119
like a contradiction but we're running

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01:49:52,810 --> 01:49:49,610
out of time I get again Peter what's the

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01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:52,820
the internet site and that people can go

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01:49:56,859 --> 01:49:54,530
to and order your books and of course

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01:49:59,379 --> 01:49:56,869
I'm sure they're available on Amazon and

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01:50:05,200 --> 01:49:59,389
so that's true and Skype books usa.com

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01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:05,210
and digital montauk calm i think tim

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01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:07,280
will agree that this has probably been

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01:50:13,419 --> 01:50:10,639
one of the most unusual and fascinating

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01:50:16,709 --> 01:50:13,429
and interesting hours that we have ever

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01:50:21,399 --> 01:50:16,719
spent with a guest yes very much so

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01:50:24,220 --> 01:50:21,409
III we will have to continue of this 20

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01:50:26,589 --> 01:50:24,230
thousand years into the future or we're

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01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:26,599
back in time or ahead it in time well

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01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:28,489
we'll continue this on because it's

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01:50:34,540 --> 01:50:31,730
certainly there's a lot more to tell of

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01:50:37,229 --> 01:50:34,550
the Peter Moon story and once again I

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01:50:40,270 --> 01:50:37,239
want to thank everybody for tuning in to

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01:50:42,310 --> 01:50:40,280
unraveling the secrets and next week

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01:50:46,209 --> 01:50:42,320
we'll have several more very interesting

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01:50:50,050 --> 01:50:46,219
and the fascinating guests in areas to

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01:50:54,339 --> 01:50:50,060
cover and Carla Anderson will be back as

2456
01:50:56,919 --> 01:50:54,349
my co-host and again it's unraveling the

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01:51:00,010 --> 01:50:56,929
secrets and perhaps tonight it was

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01:51:02,770 --> 01:51:00,020
unraveling the future thank you Peter

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01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:02,780
thank you Frank for being on the program

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01:51:10,300 --> 01:51:06,290
earlier thank you Tim for co-hosting and

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01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:10,310
producing and thank you angel who I know

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01:51:16,450 --> 01:51:13,010
is busy working on the archives in the